Hello Debian world. Meeting ------- Your beloved FTP Team had a meeting in the Essener LinuxHotel[1] during the last week of October. A lot has been achieved during this meeting and we would like to take this opportunity to thank our hosts from the LinuxHotel for the nice environment as well as every Debian Developer, Maintainer and interested for their patience during the time of reduced archive service. During this meeting more than half of our codebase got changed and multiple outstanding and intrusive patches got merged. We also discussed various outstanding topics, a few of which we can report about already, a few others where we still have to gather more information. This process, either asking our lawyers or various other people, has already been started. dpkg v3 source format, compression ---------------------------------- As many already noticed, our archive now additionally supports 3.0 (quilt) and 3.0 (native) source package formats. You can use either gzip as usual or bzip2 for the compression within the binary packages - and now also for the source files. We do not support lzma as a compressor, as the format is already dead again. After squeeze we will probably add support for its successor, xz. Currently there are no plans to support the 3.0 git or bzr formats. incoming.debian.org ------------------- The public view of incoming.debian.org has changed. Due to internal changes in dak, queue/accepted no longer exists so we generate a public view in the same way as the hidden buildd queues were always generated. This change means that packages will stay visible on incoming.debian.org for a short time after they enter the pool and are pushed to the mirrors (which removes the old problem whereby during dinstall packages would vanish from incoming but not yet be visible in the pool). As a couple of people have commented, the changes files are no longer part of this view. It's possible that in the future we will add them back, but the same information is available on debian-devel-changes@lists.debian.org and we would need to make some small architectural changes to add the .changes files back. Another side-effect of this work is that it will now be possible to autobuild suites other than unstable from 'accepted'. This will require work and discussion with the buildd team as to how they want to handle it. IRC --- The channel #debian-ftp is now open to the public as a way of contacting members of the ftp-team, but not for random discussions. Please, help us keep the channel well focused and on-topic. source-only uploads ------------------- After some discussion about this, there are two opinions within the ftp-team about this matter. Given that other distros experience has shown that allowing source only uploads results in a huge loss of quality checks and an increased load on the buildds from packages FTBFSing everywhere, some members of the team believe that source+binary uploads should happen as currently, but that the maintainer built binaries should be rebuilt by the buildds (i.e. be thrown away at accept time). Other members of the team think that we should allow source-only uploads and that if some people keep uploading packages which FTBFS everywhere (showing a lack of basic testing), this should be dealt with by the project in other ways which are out of the scope of the ftp-team. The current "winning" opinion is to go with the source+throw away binaries route. We are close to being able to achieve this, it is simply that it has not yet been enabled. Before any version of this can be enabled, buildd autosigning needs to be implemented in order that dak can differentiate buildd uploads vs maintainer uploads. Provisions have been made in dak for things such as bootstrapping a new architecture where binary uploads from porters may be necessary in order to get going. lintian autorejects ------------------- Now turned on. lintian tags available in yaml format from http://ftp-master.debian.org/static/lintian.tags "Inline" signed Release files ----------------------------- We now have a second Release file on our mirrors, called InRelease. The only difference to Release is that the signature is not detached, but within the file. This is a first step towards getting rid of race conditions when updating Packages/Sources files and mirror updates running. After squeeze we will change to have more than one generation of Packages/Sources files on the mirror (likely the last 3) and have them all included. This will require discussion with the apt (and other relevant) maintainers about how this should be implemented. --rsyncable ----------- We enabled all gzip content to be generated using --rsyncable (Packages, Sources, Contents, indices/). This gives a slight increase in size but a huge decrease in neccessary bandwidth used by the mirror sync. The extra source case --------------------- This issue is the one traditionally known as the linux-modules-extra problem but also exists for some compiler packages and in the past existed for things such as apache2-mpm-itk and so is a more general problem. It exists where a package needs to use source from another package in order to build. This is normally done by creating a -source binary package and Build-Depending on it (this is of course ugly in its own right, but let's fix one thing at a time). The problem is that dak then has no idea that we need to keep the extra source(s) around on the mirror whilst that binary package is still available. We intend to fix this by introducing a way of packages declaring that they were Built-Using a certain source package,version and then tracking that to ensure that the sources are kept around properly. The changes in dak which are needed are now relatively small and a proposal will be posted to debian-devel soon which will outline how we hope that this will work. Tracking arch all packages -------------------------- #246992 asked us to not delete arch all packages before the corresponding (if any) arch any packages are available for all architectures. Example: whenever a new source package for emacs23 gets uploaded the installation of the metapackage emacs_*_all.deb breaks on most architectures until the needed Architecture: any packages like emacs23 get built by the buildds. That happens because dak removes all arch: all packages but the newest one. While this behaviour is easily documented and one can easily devise a fix ("just keep the arch all until the any is there, stupid"), the actual implementation of it contains several nasty corner cases which is why it took so long to fix. Thankfully Torsten Werner took on this task during the meeting [2] and we are now in a position where we can merge his work. We'll email before turning on this feature so that people can watch out of any strange cases which could cause problems. NEW/Byhand ---------- Due to the massive changes in the archive, NEW (and also Byhand) had to be disabled. Certain assumptions made by the processing tools no longer applied. The last week was used to work on this issue and we think this will be fixed today, so NEW processing will return to its normal speed soon. [1] http://www.linuxhotel.de [2] http://ftp-master.debian.org/wiki/projects/arch-all-tracking/ -- bye, Joerg, for the FTP Team. <madduck> and yes, the ftpmasters are not the most clueful people
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