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Re: A new user experience for Jessy ?

Hello everyone,

Nice to hear about those ideas! I was working on a packaging helper to fill a gap I saw on Wheezy: the gap between the package maintainer and the folks building the awesome artwork.

What I believe that will work is something along the lines described here: https://bitbucket.org/ronoaldo/desktop-theme-util/wiki/Home It is just a proposal, and some experimental scripts to apply the theme at system/user level. Feedback welcome!

The scripts violates some of the Debian packaging polices, and needs some refactor, but is usefull for testing the theme packages. A packaged sample theme is available here: https://bitbucket.org/ronoaldo/desktop-theme-growing

Some of the ideas on https://wiki.debian.org/DebianArt/StructureThemePackage are really nice, but there is some discussion on debian-devel about some overhead if the packages are too small. I will suggest building a tool to help getting one artwork and make it be a theme package source. Then we can try out with splitting binaries as suggested by Valessio.

After some good feedback on the tool described on my experiments, I'll start writting some code. I just want to make sure the workflow will really help the designers to start with an image and experiment it as a installable theme package.

I'm cc'ing Ulrich, wich helped me to build and test the desktop-theme-growing package draft, maybe we can resume the work?

happy hacking!

2013/8/20 ValessioBrito <valessio@gmail.com>
A script! Oww!

That would be fantastic. There is a proposal to define the structure
of a theme package, we can resume this discussion.


It would be nice not to have only the "debian-desktop" as a package
but a support for "skins" more flexible.

2013/8/19 Adrien Aubourg <adrien.aubourg@gmail.com>:
> Hi,
> Thanks for the offer. I will definitely ask access to the gitorious
> repository, but I'm waiting for a GPL-licensed wallpaper that fits well with
> what I've done.
> After this, I should have a complete install script for a light and new
> themed Debian which should be a good base for other packages. Then I'll push
> my files into the collabart repo.
> I'll let you know.
> Adrien
> Le 19/08/2013 14:47, ValessioBrito a écrit :
>> According,
>> I think this is an opportunity to work in collaboration among all
>> artists, developers and users of Debian. Together we can deliver a
>> better user experience, from the installer to the desktop version.
>> I'm available to assist with anything you need.
>> If you need access to and Gitorious[1] or DebianArt[2], count me out.
>> [1] https://gitorious.org/themes-debianart/collabart
>> [2] http://www.debianart.org or http://svn.debianart.org/
>> 2013/8/17 Adrien Aubourg <adrien.aubourg@gmail.com>:
>>> Hey guys !
>>> Yes, Jessy is far from being release as the stable release, but it's not
>>> too
>>> soon to begin working on the graphic theme, and more generally on the
>>> user
>>> experience. Indeed, the choice of the Wheezy theme was kind of arbitrary,
>>> but it was necessary due to freeze deadline and debian package
>>> validation.
>>> Well, let's begin to work then !
>>> Some critics about the Wheezy theme was that "it was just a bunch of
>>> wallpapers and backgrounds". That was kind of right. So there I propose a
>>> totally new approach for the design and the user experience for Jessy.
>>> Before describing the approach, I wish this work to be part of CollabArt
>>> [1], as I prefer collaboration than competition (competition that
>>> happened
>>> for Wheezy).
>>> Well, you all heard about the famous distribution called Archlinux. After
>>> long talks with users of the distributions, I discovered many reasons why
>>> people are attracted by this distribution. The two main reasons are the
>>> packages that are all up to date from upstreams (something that Debian
>>> shouldn't and won't compete) and the fact that's a bare and very light
>>> distribution out of the box. The latter is interesting, as many of them
>>> wasn't aware that Debian can be installed with very few packages. Debian
>>> is,
>>> actually, a very light distribution. It's just that people are used to
>>> download and install the default Gnome distribution.
>>> On the other hand, Debian is not well-known for its simplicity. Actually,
>>> I
>>> favor Lubuntu and Xubuntu for new Linux users. So we can't set a new
>>> default
>>> Debian distribution that won't be perfect for newcomer, but will be a
>>> good
>>> and light start for a medium-experienced user, or for users that want
>>> lightness over simplicity.
>>> So I've selected few packages for a bare Debian installation, and I
>>> configured them to obtain both a new design and a new experience.
>>> Roughly:
>>> - LXDE with Openbox/pcmanfm
>>> - Slim
>>> - Midori
>>> - Xarchiver
>>> - Wicd
>>> - Sylpheed
>>> - I intend to replace xscreensaver by slimlock [2]
>>> There are two screenshots: Slim, and desktop. These are taken directly
>>> after
>>> the installation of the theme [3 - 4]
>>> To install the theme:
>>> - Setup a minimal (really minimal) Debian Jessy
>>> - Log as root and install the "ca-certificates" package
>>> - Grab the installation script:
>>> https://raw.github.com/Vagdish/Debian8-Theme/master/install.sh
>>> - Make it executable (chmod +x install.sh)
>>> - Launch it (./install.sh)
>>> - Wait until reboot.
>>> - I can't find how to change the default gtk theme. So change it from
>>> "Clearlooks" (the default) to "Mist".
>>> - Voilà !
>>> Two things to notice:
>>> - Slim and Pcmanfm can't scale the background to fit (like --bg-scale feh
>>> option), So we will have to make many wallpapers at different resolution.
>>> - The wallpaper has no license at all. I'm trying to contact the original
>>> author. But anyway, the wallpaper is just a part of the whole experience.
>>> I *will* make gnome/gdm/kdm/... themes. Like any other Debian theme, it
>>> will
>>> act on all required packages. But I want to uses Jessy as an opportunity
>>> to
>>> change the default Debian set of packages to make it lighter and more
>>> attractive.
>>> The project if hosted on Github: https://github.com/Vagdish/Debian8-Theme
>>> I may push it to the CollabArt Gitorious repository if asked.
>>> Thank you !
>>> Adrien Aubourg
>>> [1] https://wiki.debian.org/DebianArt/Themes/CollabArt
>>> [2] http://joelburget.com/slimlock/ (It is currently a part of the
>>> upstream
>>> Slim)
>>> [3] http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/845/bjsh.png/
>>> [4] http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/89/k41x.png/

> Profissional de inovação
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