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Re: desktop-base/ciel and squeeze: plan of action



> @Adnan: The colours can be anything you like. Whether others will like it is
> another question.
> We humans tend to be a bit uptight when it comes to colour taste (and this
> also differs from
> culture to culture). The blue "requirement" (or let's rather say consensus)
> stems IMHO from:

I absolutely agree, human taste is something that should not be discussed.
What I said here may be matter of my taste even though I'm trying to
be as objective as possible.

> 1. the Clearlooks theme which prevails in most things GTK on Debian (e.g.
> Gnome, LXDE, not
> sure about Xfce though)
> 2. the KDE theme is rather dominated by blue due to the Oxygen icon theme,
> as well as the
> theme itself which uses blue for emphasis.
> 3. the fact that previous Debian themes have used blue (cf. Etch's very good
> theme which
> inspired me to do Ciel, or Lenny's equally very good wallpapers.)

That's what I'm trying to say it's been awhile since any kind of big
(don't want to say drastic) changes were made. On other hand I believe
Etch and Lenny look are almost the same look.

Since the first time I tried Debian I would have to change everything,
from colors to icons, and for once I would like to stick to the
defaults.

Blue is fine with me, but at least different kind of blue then the
"baby blue".


Adnan

2010/11/6 Amir Dizdarević <cancivolonter@gmail.com>:
> @Adnan: The colours can be anything you like. Whether others will like it is
> another question.
> We humans tend to be a bit uptight when it comes to colour taste (and this
> also differs from
> culture to culture). The blue "requirement" (or let's rather say consensus)
> stems IMHO from:
>
> 1. the Clearlooks theme which prevails in most things GTK on Debian (e.g.
> Gnome, LXDE, not
> sure about Xfce though)
> 2. the KDE theme is rather dominated by blue due to the Oxygen icon theme,
> as well as the
> theme itself which uses blue for emphasis.
> 3. the fact that previous Debian themes have used blue (cf. Etch's very good
> theme which
> inspired me to do Ciel, or Lenny's equally very good wallpapers.)
>
>
> On 6 November 2010 13:56, Adnan Hodzic <adnan@foolcontrol.org> wrote:
>>
>> This might sound offtopic, I'm referring to authors when I say this,
>> but when it comes to the colors of Squeeze theme, is there any way
>> colors could be anything but blue? At least a different shade of blue?
>>
>>
>> Adnan
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 1:45 AM, Ulrich Hansen <uhansen@mainz-online.de>
>> wrote:
>> > Am 05.11.2010 19:23, schrieb Valessio Brito:
>> >>
>> >> My Opinion:
>> >> 4. The Lisp Machine[4], a proposal is noisy, dark and mechanics. Lack
>> >> the human touch.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> My proposal for a vote: Each proposal must have an objective
>> >> presentation of inspiration and creation.
>> >>
>> >> The interpretation or vision of creation is interesting to see if it
>> >> corresponds to Debian.
>> >
>> > Thanks for criticising. I try to answer and to present my idea. Sorry if
>> > it's a bit lengthy.
>> >
>> >
>> > I wouldn't put technology in a position where it stands against humanity
>> > or
>> > a human touch. In contrary: Deeply human ideas can be the driving force
>> > for
>> > technological development - think of the AT&T charta: "The general route
>> > of
>> > the lines of this association will connect one or more points in each
>> > and
>> > every city, town or place in the State of New York... with one or more
>> > points in each and every other of the United States, and in Canada and
>> > Mexico; and each and every of said cities, towns and places is to be
>> > connected with each and every other city, town or place in said states
>> > and
>> > countries, and also by cable and other appropriate means, with the rest
>> > of
>> > the known world." What an idea. To connect everyone with everyone. In
>> > 1923.
>> >
>> > Another idea like this was written down in August 1983: The plan to
>> > build "a
>> > complete Unix-compatible software system for standard hardware
>> > architectures, to be shared freely with everyone". Richard Stallman
>> > wrote
>> > these lines on the first pages of his "Lisp Machine Window Manual". He
>> > hid
>> > the idea in a computer manual, one month before he went public with it
>> > in
>> > his famous "Free Unix!" mail. The idea to enable people to develop and
>> > work
>> > with software in a community, where everyone is free to share  ideas and
>> > contribute.
>> >
>> > The Lisp Machine on the photograph, on which my theme is based, may look
>> > dark and mechanical (and even a bit dusty). But it's the product of
>> > years of
>> > work of a human being, of Richard Greenblatt, once called "hacker of
>> > hackers".
>> >
>> > In his book "Hackers" Steven Levy describes Greenblatt as student in
>> > 1963:
>> > "He was turning out an incredible amount of code, hacking as much as he
>> > could, or sitting with a stack of print-outs, marking them up. He'd
>> > shuttle
>> > between the PDP-1 and TMRC, with his head fantastically wired with the
>> > structures of the program he was working on (...). To hold that
>> > concentration for a long period of time, he lived, as did several of his
>> > peers, the thirty-hour day. It was conducive to intense hacking, since
>> > you
>> > had an extended block of waking hours to get going on a program, and,
>> > once
>> > you were really rolling, little annoyances like sleep need not bother
>> > you.
>> > The idea was to burn away for thirty hours, reach total exhaustion, then
>> > go
>> > home and collapse for twelve hours. An alternative would be to collapse
>> > right there in the lab.“
>> >
>> > Some may call this inhuman. And its not healthy anyway. But I think it
>> > is
>> > just freedom. To fully explore logical problems and to solve them the
>> > most
>> > elegant way. To hand-assemble a machine like the one on the photograph.
>> > And
>> > not to stop until it is perfect.
>> >
>> > This is what I tried to photograph and to put in my artwork. And I think
>> > it's obvious why I think it would be a great fit for Debian GNU/Linux.
>> >
>> > thanks for reading this, regards
>> > Ulrich
>> >
>> >
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