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sorry ... i missed this message and only noticed after
luis' message.
About luis' message ... We (I) count on splashy. It's
totally debian people's project (right ... Luis has switch
to ubuntu ... but we can forgive him) and we can shape it
to our use, directly from upstream.
SELinux is also a good feature to enable.
Em Sat, 6 Jan 2007 14:02:56 +0100
Michael Banck <mbanck@debian.org> escreveu:
Hi,
On Wed, Jan 03, 2007 at 07:28:58PM +0000, Luis Matos
wrote:
I know you are all busy with the etch release, but i
will have time in
beginning of February and i want to propose some issues,
and get your
opinion.
Great idea.
First:
My proposal is to be created, if possible, a
desktop-enterprise task in
tasksel.
That task would include besides an enterprise oriented
desktop, some
enterprise oriented features.
This is certainly something to think about, and whether
having more
tasks again will clutter up choices.
this is a task to set an enterprise targeted desktop.
Totally different than Home desktop.
Some of the features:
- enterprise oriented desktop applications (forget
synaptic and some
other administrating tools)
Why forget synaptic? And what do you mean exactly with
enterprise
oriented apps? Things like pessulus?
yes ... great tool.
my idea is to provide network desktop clients for small
business companies (and big ones) that can store all
user's content in a local server and provide remote logins
based on ldap and network shares (nfs or samba)
here i think samba would be the best, because it's truly
an excelent tool.
- Have an unified artwork for all possible applications
(splash screens
mostly), icons and so on.
I still think we should mostly go with the upstream
artwork here, i.e.
to respect GNOME and KDE's upstream choices.
They are tango, right? (on both?)
As for splash screens, our aim should be to not have
any, but rather
have the application start immediately. It's not really
our duty to
optimize this, however, so maybe unified splash screens
are a good
interim solution.
we can go one way or another. The one we choose, we will
mass fill bug reports as RC in order to achieve it.
I think we have some point in having the desktop
discussion centralized here, so the people that has
something to say can say it here. The decisions made by
debian-desktop (list) are release decisions. I think we
can think like this regarding desktop.
- provide integrated software for the environment and
provide the
same on all 3 (gnome, kde and xfce)
Yes.
- seek for group work application's compatibility out
of the box.
Can you elaborate on this?
I hope that by the time we ship lenny, there will be a
release of an outstanding workgroup application server:
Hula.
We (well ... i'm +/- in there too) are taking over it's
control from novell and just waiting for them to lay the
project's content to us. The comunity around hula is hudge
and there are many developers waiting to lay their hands
on it.
besides this, there are some connectors for some workgroup
applications that we have look. I can see this.
- provide boot to shutdown artwork (splashy or usplash
- also a
target for common desktop)
Yes.
I think we can led this over to Luis (the splashy one)
- smoothier desktop with a nice theme to combine with
the artwork (i
find the current theme a bit missplaced, also the
icons, but there's
another story.) ( industrial controls - more whitier -
seem to be ok
with clearlooks window)
See above for my comment on diverging from upstream.
Probably by the
time lenny is released, everybody will (and can freely)
use Tango icons.
i hope it's for lenny (it was supposed to be for etch)
In gnome specially, which seems the most widely used for
enterprise
features, i would like to seek on other distribution's
features that
could have in debian, such prefer gnome-control-center
instead of
administration/preferences [1][2]. It's easier for users
to find that
nice place where everything is and they can really see
what want to
change.
Those are being discussed upstream. We should probably
have some
certain set date before the release (three months before
the targeted
freeze, maybe), where we evaluate the state of the
upstream desktop and
the customizations done by the other distributions, and
decide what to
cherry-pick from them. Doing this constantly might only
result in
additional maintenance work as the customizations are
getting merged
upstream (hopefully).
Agree with you. I'll later try to ask where the discussion
is happening to keep up.
I can be responsible to alert the maintainers of
programs with a
.desktop file entry in administration/preferences to put
their program
in the right place, according do the freedesktop.org
spec [3]. This is
a long time war in gnome, but i think general users are
missing
because of that. Ok, you'll point me to some 9999
discussions in gnome mailing lists, wikis, blogs ... but
... think
about debian ... think about their users. (well ... this
is my point
of view).
Right, but at least for the beginning of the lenny
release cycle this
war should be fought upstream, and any help you want to
provide would be
welcome I guess. If things don't work out upstream as
you/we plan, we
can still fix them on our side, see above.
agree
We should also set a timetable for this to happen, i mean
... for us to patch upstream.
In a final way, i think several enterprises trust in
debian's security
ans stability. Lets take the step ahead for lenny.
Totally.
All that has been said here MUST be on a wiki page. I will
only have time somewhere next week to do so.
I think the important here is to divide work ( mostly on
gnome/KDE/xfce teams )
I think gnome team (at least i) can help the xcfe team,
which has only one member.
Another note to say that we should try to stablish the
tasks and objectives soon, for we to wok on them in time,
and not to say one month before the release is schudled to
add some artwork, for example (eheheh).
thank you all
Luis F. C. Matos
Departamento de Engenharia Mecânica
Universidade de Aveiro
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