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Fwd: Debian objectives for lenny ... desktop

Luis F. C. Matos
Departamento de Engenharia Mecânica
Universidade de Aveiro

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--- Begin Message --- sorry ... i missed this message and only noticed after luis' message. About luis' message ... We (I) count on splashy. It's totally debian people's project (right ... Luis has switch to ubuntu ... but we can forgive him) and we can shape it to our use, directly from upstream.

SELinux is also a good feature to enable.

Em Sat, 6 Jan 2007 14:02:56 +0100
 Michael Banck <mbanck@debian.org> escreveu:

On Wed, Jan 03, 2007 at 07:28:58PM +0000, Luis Matos wrote:
I know you are all busy with the etch release, but i will have time in beginning of February and i want to propose some issues, and get your

Great idea.

My proposal is to be created, if possible, a desktop-enterprise task in
That task would include besides an enterprise oriented desktop, some
enterprise oriented features.

This is certainly something to think about, and whether having more
tasks again will clutter up choices.

this is a task to set an enterprise targeted desktop. Totally different than Home desktop.

Some of the features:
- enterprise oriented desktop applications (forget synaptic and some
other administrating tools)

Why forget synaptic? And what do you mean exactly with enterprise
oriented apps? Things like pessulus?

yes ... great tool.
my idea is to provide network desktop clients for small business companies (and big ones) that can store all user's content in a local server and provide remote logins based on ldap and network shares (nfs or samba)

here i think samba would be the best, because it's truly an excelent tool.

- Have an unified artwork for all possible applications (splash screens
mostly), icons and so on.

I still think we should mostly go with the upstream artwork here, i.e.
to respect GNOME and KDE's upstream choices.
They are tango, right? (on both?)

As for splash screens, our aim should be to not have any, but rather have the application start immediately. It's not really our duty to optimize this, however, so maybe unified splash screens are a good
interim solution.

we can go one way or another. The one we choose, we will mass fill bug reports as RC in order to achieve it.

I think we have some point in having the desktop discussion centralized here, so the people that has something to say can say it here. The decisions made by debian-desktop (list) are release decisions. I think we can think like this regarding desktop.

- provide integrated software for the environment and provide the same on all 3 (gnome, kde and xfce)


- seek for group work application's compatibility out of the box.

Can you elaborate on this?

I hope that by the time we ship lenny, there will be a release of an outstanding workgroup application server: Hula.

We (well ... i'm +/- in there too) are taking over it's control from novell and just waiting for them to lay the project's content to us. The comunity around hula is hudge and there are many developers waiting to lay their hands on it.

besides this, there are some connectors for some workgroup applications that we have look. I can see this.

- provide boot to shutdown artwork (splashy or usplash - also a
 target for common desktop)

I think we can led this over to Luis (the splashy one)

- smoothier desktop with a nice theme to combine with the artwork (i find the current theme a bit missplaced, also the icons, but there's another story.) ( industrial controls - more whitier - seem to be ok
 with clearlooks window)

See above for my comment on diverging from upstream. Probably by the time lenny is released, everybody will (and can freely) use Tango icons.
i hope it's for lenny (it was supposed to be for etch)

In gnome specially, which seems the most widely used for enterprise features, i would like to seek on other distribution's features that could have in debian, such prefer gnome-control-center instead of administration/preferences [1][2]. It's easier for users to find that nice place where everything is and they can really see what want to

Those are being discussed upstream. We should probably have some certain set date before the release (three months before the targeted freeze, maybe), where we evaluate the state of the upstream desktop and the customizations done by the other distributions, and decide what to cherry-pick from them. Doing this constantly might only result in additional maintenance work as the customizations are getting merged
upstream (hopefully).

Agree with you. I'll later try to ask where the discussion is happening to keep up.

I can be responsible to alert the maintainers of programs with a .desktop file entry in administration/preferences to put their program in the right place, according do the freedesktop.org spec [3]. This is a long time war in gnome, but i think general users are missing
because of that. Ok, you'll point me to some 9999
discussions in gnome mailing lists, wikis, blogs ... but ... think about debian ... think about their users. (well ... this is my point
of view).

Right, but at least for the beginning of the lenny release cycle this war should be fought upstream, and any help you want to provide would be welcome I guess. If things don't work out upstream as you/we plan, we
can still fix them on our side, see above.

We should also set a timetable for this to happen, i mean ... for us to patch upstream.

In a final way, i think several enterprises trust in debian's security
ans stability. Lets take the step ahead for lenny.


All that has been said here MUST be on a wiki page. I will only have time somewhere next week to do so.

I think the important here is to divide work ( mostly on gnome/KDE/xfce teams )

I think gnome team (at least i) can help the xcfe team, which has only one member.

Another note to say that we should try to stablish the tasks and objectives soon, for we to wok on them in time, and not to say one month before the release is schudled to add some artwork, for example (eheheh).

thank you all

Luis F. C. Matos
Departamento de Engenharia Mecânica
Universidade de Aveiro

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