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Re: fbsplash: introducing fbplash in debian (howto)

On Sat, 2004-10-30 at 23:20 -0400, Luis M wrote:
> On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 20:54:02 +0200, website <website_debian@tiscali.it> wrote:
> > On Saturday 30 October 2004 19:06, Luis M wrote:
> > > On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 19:22:32 +0200, website <website_debian@tiscali.it>
> > wrote:
> > > > On Saturday 30 October 2004 17:47, Luis M wrote:
> <snip>
> > look at the debsplash.conf file in script/:
> > # should we drop to verbose mode on initscript errors? (yes/no)
> Oh, i see now. I wonder if this actually works. What relationship is
> there between debsplash's splash script and the fbsplash kernel patch?
> I guess that fbsplash is using userspace tools to draw the screen and
> this configuration settings can be passed to it...
> K, i'll hold my horses until I see the whole thing working since I
> seem to have only fbsplash patched kernel and nothing else (no
> configuration, no scripts).
> > Why not choose?
> > some points can be deleted for me:
> > 1)download or compile a kernel patched for fbsplash (.deb of the kernel is
> > alredy done at the v 2.6.8, and you did the kernel patch for everyone that
> > wants to compile a custom kernel)
> >From where would users download this pre-patched kernel binaries?
> Debian kernel maintainers will NOT do this. If there is something I
> know about the Debian process is that this is a big no no. All users
> who want this functionality will have to patch their own kernels or
> get it from places like Debian Mentors (as source) and will need to
> compile it anyway. I wouldn't trust anybody's sources or binaries :-)
> Why would anybody else want to trust these?
I tend to agree, why would the kernel developers go though such alot of
work just for graphics on boot, which not all users are going to use *ie
server users, what need is there?, esp on headless machines* The reality
is, any sort of splash is going to be more of a powerusers thing, as it
could cause headaches with stablity down the line. And after all we all
know debian is about stability. Also i dont think its likly that there
will be 2 different kernel tracks. 1 for normal debian kernels and
another for debsplash.
Im unsure to be honest.
> <snip>
> > now point 1 is quite finished, also point 2 (debsplash-0.1 is already
> > released, see ftp) and i'm working in point 3
> > 
> debsplash package is not ready. And it should be named debsplash-utils
> anyway. scripts for progressbars are not ready either (unless you got
> them to work already).
> <snip>
> > For do this, we need to modify the kernel patch called fbsplash, if we do this
> > you should be sure that you will grow up the work with new kernels
> This is the trend. What we need to do is maintain fbsplash in sync
> with gentoo people and we will definitely need to keep doing new
> patches for every new kernel that comes later. This is known. And this
> is why this type of ideas suck for making fancy boot screens :-) I
> know fedora uses a different approach, and perhaps there are other
> ways out there (or possible). We simply need to find one that works
> totally in user-space without kernel help (or make our patch clean and
> simple and submit it to the kernel maintainers for approval and
> inclussion into the kernel -- yeah, keep dreaming!)
> <snip>
> > And here there is a big problem that i found in my first test, if i run the
> > init script after logout it works, but if i do by symlink with /etc/rcx.d it
> > doesn't work.
> I thought you said you got this working ;-) I'm dying to get my hands
> on the code you are using and keep our work in sync. But...
Same here, i want to check them out, i wouldve done them but as ever,
time is an issue:/
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> Luis M
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