On Fri, 21 Oct 2011 20:48:01 +0200 "Jeremiah C. Foster" <jeremiah@jeremiahfoster.com> wrote: > On Oct 21, 2011, at 19:57, Allison Randal wrote: > > On 10/21/2011 10:33 AM, Andrew Starr-Bochicchio wrote: > >> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Iain Lane <laney@debian.org> > >> wrote: > >>> There is a push, and coming with it a growing movement, to get > >>> applications into Ubuntu via a new Application Review process (aka > >>> extras.ubuntu.com) which is a parallel repository available for > >>> stable releases only that is not a part of the distribution. > > This is not so different from what maemo does: > http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras > >>> It seems to me that this is a fundamental shift in what we > >>> consider a distribution to be, becoming a 'platform' on top of > >>> which people offer applications (the app-store model which the > >>> software centre promotes) rather than a collection of all the > >>> great Free Software out there. I fear a negative impact on both > >>> distribution developer motivation and the quality of the distros > >>> (including a knock-on impact on Debian as upstream) if this new > >>> method of distributing apps takes hold and the next generation of > >>> nice applications never see themselves in the distribution. > >>> > >>> WDYT? Is there a real problem here? > > Personally I think it is somewhat overstated. Let's not forget that > an Ubuntu package will likely be installable on Debian. Rebuilt from source perhaps, but you'll get told off for suggesting people should install ubuntu packages directly :) > > The developers we get through the ARB are a different level than > > Debian usually works with. Many have no packaging experience at > > all, some submit tarballs, some don't even know how to create > > tarballs. It's a bit like tier 1 mentoring. The overall goal is > > still to train them up, in the expectation that some will get more > > and more involved, and eventually join the ranks of DM/DD as well > > as Ubuntu developers. > > This is incredibly important. Yes, Debian has mentors.debian.net but > that is still not the easiest path to getting your software into > Debian. In working with maemo I remember packaging as being something Hopefully debexpo is making life a little easier - it would be great to see some more integration between it and ubuntu/other derivs. > that maemo developers thought was onerous, complicated, and a black > art. If Ubuntu can provide a good introduction to Debian packaging, > everyone wins. I hope they can work on any of the gazillion existing guides (several by ubuntu people, several by debians) in the process, rather then creating another guide from scratch. thanks, kk -- Karl Goetz, (Kamping_Kaiser / VK7FOSS) http://www.kgoetz.id.au No, I won't join your social networking group
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