On Mon, 2 Aug 2010 22:02:58 +0100 Iain Lane <laney@ubuntu.com> wrote: > Hiya, Hey, > [ ccing debian-derivatives: This is a thread[-1] which started on > ubuntu-devel, and which I've turned into a thread about uploading new > packages to Debian instead of Ubuntu directly. It's not really about > Canonical software, more general packages. > > Input is sought about your POV on this. Specifically whether you > think, in general, that us redirecting contributors from REVU (our > mentors equivalent) to Debian is something that should > happen/continue. ] Maintaining the CC, but in reverse :) > Replying to both mails in one. > > On Mon, Aug 02, 2010 at 02:49:10PM -0500, Micah Gersten wrote: > >On 08/02/2010 02:35 PM, Paul Sladen wrote: > >> On Mon, 2 Aug 2010, Mackenzie Morgan wrote: > >>> pushing more for the packages to go to Debian first and then sync > >> Back when people like Scott and mjg59 were still DDs I found it > >> relatively easy (and therefore not overly onorous) to get uploads > >> done on a semi-predictable turn-around. > > Actually, in addition to what I've said above, we now have the > #debian-ubuntu channel on OFTC set up. I believe that one function of > this channel could be to facilitate sponsorship in Debian. There's Sounds sensible. > >> The question is, how to return to that situation of a > >> semi-reliable 24-hour turn-around without forcing everyone through > >> the Debian New Maintainer process in parallel. Presumably the > >> reason people are following the /Ubuntu/ path in the first place > >> is because of a perception of an easier welcome with gradulated > >> steps to direct involvement. > > There are many great things that MOTU hopefuls and MOTUs can do, but I > don't think that (in general), maintaining entirely new packages > has proved to be one of these things. I assume ubuntu people would be willing to start helping to maintain packages in colab-maint without upload rights, this would help reduce the number of people needed to upload initially. If some people then want to try for DM i guess they could go through NM and get the DM-upload set after a time to help spread the burden of uploads. > >Another side of that argument is, do we really want to take in a lot > >of packages without that maintenance commitment? The nice thing of > >pushing through Debian is that someone is committing to maintaining > >the package. Unless it gets added to the 600+ O's and 150~ RFA'd packages > > Also, I think bdrung or someone said in -motu that make sure the > >packaging is up to standards and then push through Debian. Without > >the actual commitment of maintenance, MOTU ends up with a lot more > >work to do. Maybe we should find a way to get more MOTUs in the > >position to sponsor uploads in Debian as well? Wouldn't that mean they have to become DDs? > One of my Big Things is contributing to Debian directly instead of > making uploads to Ubuntu. I think that MOTU functions best when it > performs a QA role, and that everything is so much smoother when work > is done as far upstream as possible. Most packages — especially ones > that turn up on REVU — will work on both distributions using exactly > the same source package. I'm also interested in the 'maintain in debian' thought, but i'll try to follow that up in a slightly more generic thread on d-derivatives. kk > [-1] > https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2010-August/031034.html > [0] http://wiki.debian.org/Teams#Packagingteams > [1] http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100629 -- Karl Goetz, (Kamping_Kaiser / VK5FOSS) Debian contributor / gNewSense Maintainer http://www.kgoetz.id.au No, I won't join your social networking group
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