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Bug#762194: Debian has abandoned many users also on upgrades by the CTTE decision on December 4 2014

On Fri, Dec 05, 2014 at 07:31:06PM +0100, Svante Signell wrote:
> Looking at the IRC log
> http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/collab-maint/debian-ctte.git/tree/meetings/20141204/debian-ctte.2014-12-04-18.00.log.txt
> lines 197 to 280 reveals the plan.
> Conclusion: quoting <vorlon> Steve Langasek: "we recommend/support
> systemd being the default init system for upgrades as well as new
> installs"
> Action point: quoting <dondelelcaro> Don Armstrong:
> "#action dondelelcaro to draft affirmative resolution on #762194 noting
> #757298 et al"

I think the key point is:
18:50:04 <dondelelcaro> so for this bug, I'm happier that we actually have
concrete proposals, though I don't think any of them have had enough testing
18:50:29 <ansgar> I think two had issues with installing sysvinit in some
18:50:39 <ansgar> And the last one just arrived ~2 hours ago.
18:51:57 <ansgar> First proposal in 762194#124, I tested it in #142

which shows confusion as to whether the proposal works.  The idea is to move
the piece responsible for defaulting to systemd from pkg:init to
pkg:debootstrap -- and a move consists of two changes: removing in place A
then adding in place B.  What ansgar tested in #142 is removing only, with
obvious results.  I did try to dispel this confusion but this apparently
hasn't been noticed.

> More details: (if using apt, see also #757298 about the grub2 entry)
> - upgrading from Wheezy/with sysvinit to Jessie can boot with  
> init=/lib/sysvinit/init unless/until the sysvinit package is removed by
> e.g. autoclean. 
> I wonder what the people not having physical access, e.g. ssh, to their
> boxes should do, not even able the see the boot screen?

They'll have a nice drive to the data center... or, for embedded systems,
some extra fun of wildly varying kinds.

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