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Bug#727708: Both T and L are wrong, plea for something simpler

On Fri, Feb 07, 2014 at 05:46:15PM +0100, Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
> On 02/07/2014 17:01, Ian Jackson wrote:
> > Kurt Roeckx writes ("Bug#727708: Both T and L are wrong, plea for something simpler (was: Re: Call for votes on init system resolution)"):
> >> I'm currently of the opinion that gnome made an initial decisions
> >> and as reaction to that they are setting policy and that this will
> >> be allowed under 6.1.1.

> > It's clear that whether this kind of dependency is allowed is a key
> > issue (perhaps even _the_ key issue) in this dispute.  The question of
> > the default init system is in some ways a proxy for the coupling
> > question.  And the extent and timing of such dependencies is clearly a
> > matter that ought to be dealt with in the policy manual.  So it is
> > definitely a matter of technical policy.

> > Whether the matter is ripe for the TC is not something that I would
> > expect the Secretary to rule on.  I think that's a matter for the TC.

> So you suggest to just ignore "In each case the usual maintainer of the
> relevant software or documentation makes decisions initially"?

The TC has the authority to set technical policy.  The maintainers are
empowered to interpret how that technical policy applies to their particular
packages.  And the TC has the power to overrule the maintainers and tell
them that their interpretation is incorrect.

But the TC does not have to wait for a maintainer to take a decision they
disagree with before they decide the technical policy in the abstract which
may affect a maintainer's package.

> If you decide on the init system question first, you could just file a
> bug against debian-policy and things could go their usual way.
> Alternatively, the Policy maintainers could defer this decision to the
> technical committee under 6.1.3.

The Policy maintainers are the maintainers of the policy document, they are
not "maintainers of the relevant software" in this context.

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