Bug#727708: multiple init systems - formal resolution proposal
On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 09:24:16PM +0100, Matthias Klumpp wrote:
> 2014-01-29 Adrian Bunk <bunk@stusta.de>:
> > [...]
> > I do fully acknowledge that there are issues with ConsoleKit being
> > unmaintained and many non-systemd codepath in GNOME being unmaintained
> > and with GNOME missing some non-basic functionality without systemd.
> >
> > But claims that even basic functionality in GNOME in jessie could not
> > work without logind might just be FUD.
> >
> > The TC can rule that systemd will be the default for jessie and that
> > dependencies on systemd will be OK if a maintainer wishes do add them,
> > but such a decision should be based on facts and not on unproven
> > "GNOME needs it" claims.
> No, Josselin is right: GNOME *does not* work without services provided
> by systemd.
How did you verify that this claim you are making here is actually true?
> He never said that - given some amount of work - it can't
> be made working. But given the limited resources of the GNOME team, I
> can fully understand why they don't want to make the other solutions
> work (e.g. by taking over ConsoleKit maintenance).
> So, Joss' statement is correct.
>...
No, it is not correct.
Note that Josselin's statement [1]
I also have to insist that GNOME 3.10+ *needs* a working logind even for
basic functionality, and that starting with v205, logind *needs* systemd
as PID 1. You might disagree with the implementation details that lead
to this situation, but you should not expect either of these facts to
change before jessie.
does not mention any resource problem.[2]
Neither does his statement contain any mentioning of ConsoleKit
maintainership - and taking over ConsoleKit maintainership
would anyway not fix the alleged "GNOME 3.10+ *needs* a working logind".
He plainly claims that logind would be required for GNOME.
And you are wrong when you claim "He never said that it can't be made
working." In fact, what Josselin insists on there is that starting with
GNOME 3.10 no version of GNOME before jessie will be able to provide
even basic functionality without logind.
> Cheers,
> Matthias
>...
cu
Adrian
[1] https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2014/01/msg00360.html
[2] in which case a call for people working on that would be more
appropriate
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