Re: CTTE and Developer Buy-in [Re: Bug#727708: init system other points, and conclusion]
Colin Watson <cjwatson@debian.org> writes:
> On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 05:50:59PM -0800, Don Armstrong wrote:
>> On Wed, 01 Jan 2014, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
>> > and I think it'd be a shame if we ended up losing or demotivating a
>> > good bunch of good developers again.
>>
>> Pretty much every time the CTTE makes a ruling, someone is going to be
>> annoyed or demotivated. Easy, non-contentious decisions never make it to
>> us.
>>
>> If there are concrete ways we can be better at making sure that it's
>> clear developers concerns are being heard and taken into account which
>> we are not already doing, I'd certainly like to hear them.
>
> Is there any useful way we could take a reasonably quick non-binding
> straw poll of developers? Sort of an "if we voted a particular way, is
> it likely that we would be on the wrong side of developer opinion".
Maybe someone could setup a vote on vote.debian.org? I have no idea how
complicated it is (IIRC it is not totally trivial). It might also be
possible to allow at least DDs and DMs to vote.
Sometimes I also wonder if a GR might be a better way to deal with the
decision as this feels more and more like an "political" or "opinion"
decision rather then a technical decision to me as tech-ctte members
have found both upstart and systemd to be suitable so far and only minor
reasons were responsible for the final decision. There is no technical
"right" or "wrong" between a more integrated, featureful system or a
more minimalistic approach[1]. It depends on expectations what sort of
system one wants to end up with. And I'm not sure if the tech-ctte is
the right place to decide about the general direction the project wants
to take (tough I appreciate the discussion and arguments from all
sides).
Ansgar
[1] At least that's my guess what people argue about in the end.
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