Bug#154950: Gnome 2 transition
The following message is a courtesy copy of an article
that has been posted to gmane.linux.debian.devel.ctte as well.
Raphael Hertzog <hertzog@debian.org> writes:
> Le Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 12:49:14AM +0100, Ian Jackson écrivait:
>> We should only approve the release of Gnome2 into stable without the
>> `2' suffix if we're sure, now, that we will definitely only want to
>> release one set of Gnome packages, with no choices for end-users and
>> with only having choices for sysadmins by using different
>> distributions and possibly even manual package fetching.
>
> Have we ever offered that choice with KDE ? Why would you want to
> provide that choice for GNOME ?
Cause gnome2 does not offer all the functionnalities of gnome1 _right
now_. If I'm not wrong, the choice is offered for apache for example.
> Nobody is asking for a choice in the long term. If people wanted to
> provide the choice, it's only for a few months, the time for Gnome 2 to
> mature ... no more.
>
>> install the Gnome2 from unstable alongside the Gnome1 from stable,
>
> That's not easily doable and nobody has ever proposed it in the
> debate.
Make them conflict if it's not possible to have both installed at the
same time.
<couic>
>> the release manager may wish to choose at a late stage whether to go
>> with Gnome1 or 2, depending on available information and quality.
>> Prejudging that issue now is a mistake.
>
> The choice is possible, he's the one who controls unstable->testing.
> Gnome 1 is kept in testing in any case until Gnome 2 is considered
> ready.
If you keep gnome1 in testing, you also maintain it there ?
Maintaining it there is more work than maintaining it in unstable
alongside gnome2 I guess.
This is also a complete twist of testing's goal and system.
>> I am very strongly opposed to any attempt to provide `incentives' for
>> maintainers to do work in this way. Penalising our users, or making
>> life difficult for ourselves, in order to `encourage' people to do
>> something, is a very bad idea in a volunteer organisation. If
>> something isn't being done that you want done, go and do it. Don't
>> break things in an effort to force the issue.
>
> I'm sorry, but Gnome 2 won't wait until each uninteresting applet is
> ported ...
There are very interresting applets which don't work on gnome2 right
now. You are not the one to judge what is interresting for everyone.
> it's up to the applet developer to do the work, and maybe they will
> do if they got complaints. If they don't, well the applet disappear,
> that's life.
Maybe they simply have no time to do it *right now*, because of
work/hollidays/life/... Sending them lots of complaints won't help get
the job done. (more probably even slow things down)
<couic>
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Rémi
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