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Bug#119517: #119517 (wrt: Konq and SSL)

On Tue, Feb 26, 2002 at 03:22:27AM -0700, Adam Conrad wrote:
> Yes, I know the Konqueror example was contrived, and I *DO* realize that
> the URL handling all comes from a different library.  The example was
> given to prove a point, not to be an exact comparison.

The doubling of archive thing size was total BS.

> If I install a web browser, and I'm not overly familiar with Debian
> policy WRT to crypto export, I expect SSL to work out of the box.  Out
> of the box, however, there's a fair chance that it won't work, and the
> message if fairly cryptic.  This is an example of a package that
> provides most of its functions, but not all.

It provides *most* of its functions. Seeing as all of its functions but
one peripheral function which is not central to the operation as a web
browser are provided, I see no reason for it to declare a Depends. In
fact, I think it's already declared as a Suggests, which is the perfect
use for it - it will enhance the value of the package, but the package
is far from useless without it.

> pcmcia-cs is the same way... cardinfo is a *function* of pcmcia-cs, it's
> not the raison d'?tre of the entire package.  Many people who install
> pcmcia-cs probably never even run the cardinfo binary.  I know I
> haven't.

Yes, but you are providing a binary. Konq isn't called ssl-browser, or
konqueror-with-ssl-support, or whatever. When you provide a binary, you
must explicitly declare all the Depends needed to make it run.

> All along, however, my argument hasn't been one of "throw dependencies
> to the wind, and declare them on a whim", but rather that a simple
> wrapper with a friendly "you need package: foo installed to run this
> app" would be helpful.  Manoj's suggestion of a fully functional console
> version that delivers similar functionality, and launches the X version
> if DISPLAY is present is even nicer, but more work.

I'm with Manoj's suggestion. I think yours is a quick hack that
shouldn't make it into Debian for fear of setting an ugly precedent.

Daniel Stone						    <daniel@sfarc.net>
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