On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 5:28 PM, Thomas Goirand <zigo@debian.org> wrote:
On 03/13/2013 06:32 AM, Charles Plessy wrote:Hi Charles, Francesca, & Zack,
> Le Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 02:26:50PM +0100, Francesca Ciceri a écrit :
>> <p>
>> As you may know, starting with the upcoming stable release <q>Wheezy</q>,
>> Debian will <a href="" href="http://www.debian.org/News/2012/20120425" target="_blank">http://www.debian.org/News/2012/20120425">make
>> it easier for its users to deploy private clouds</a>.
>> As a free software project, we care deeply about the freedom of our users
>> and we recommend to them to run their own private clouds whenever possible.
>> </p>
> Hi Francesca,
>
> as discussed earlier, I strongly object the recommendation to our users "to run
> their own private clouds whenever possible".
I agree with Charles here. We shouldn't recommend one way or another,
we should only push our users to use cloud based on free software,
rather than proprietary ones. Using public or private cloud is only an
administrator's choice, based on cost, security, usage, etc., and it
shouldn't be our concern.
There are many service providers using free suites like Openstack,
and contributing to the liberation of the cloud: of course Rackspace,
but also GridDynamics, Dreamhost, eNovance, HP, CloudWatt,
Internap, and of course many more smaller players, including myself
(eg: GPLHost). The list must be quite huge for Eucalyptus users as
well. It is that kind of services, IMO, which we should push for.
Many hosting companies (some listed above, including me...) may
setup what we call a private cloud (eg: a bunch of physical computers
which only one user will be able to use), using proprietary or free
solution. The choice of public, private, hybrid, etc. should be none of
our concern. But we should recommend the use free software in the
cloud, so that it is at least possible to setup and operate cloud
computing with the very same software which the hosting company
uses.
I am, in fact, a bit bothered that we are making a press release
announcing the availability of Debian on the biggest, proprietary
platforms, especially knowing that no effort has been made yet to
provide the same kind of image for the free software which we
provide in Debian (eg: why aren't these images available on the
Debian (ftp) servers to download, so that they could be used by
Openstack and Eucalyptus users??? I asked for this multiple times).
It has been quite some time that Ubuntu is shipping images from:
https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/releases/
If you look for example, in here:
https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/releases/precise/release/
there is both the AMI IDs in AWS, and the files themselves available
for download, and in many formats (including ovf, img, and tar.gz).
This is what Debian should do, and also provide any cloud provider
to be able to publish his information on that kind of page. I feel
bothered that Debian advertizes for huge companies like Microsoft
and Amazon, and I wish we find a better way of advertizing about
our cloud work, without giving any advantage to any commercial
companies. I wish I had enough time to work on this myself as well.
Anyways, here's how I would rephrase it:
and we recommend to them to run on clouds which are deployed using open
As a free software project, we care deeply about the freedom of our users
source and free software only whenever possible, so that our users also
have the freedom to run a cloud infrastructure themselves if they wish
or need to.
Charles, do you think it is better this way?
Cheers,
Thomas
P.S: Francesca, are you registered to the debian-cloud list?
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