(lots of things snipped out) On Sun, Jan 30, 2000 at 04:38:42PM -0600, Dan Potter wrote: > I recall waay back on Jan 30 when Dan Papasian wrote: > > > Same with the rest of the UNIX world. (FreeBSD Included) > > Things in /usr/local were installed by the user. Things in /usr were > > installed by the operating system. > > But... for example: if you install _only_ the "base.tar.gz" file that is > like the FreeBSD "bin" distribution, you automatically get Perl and a > number of other things that definitely aren't directly supported by > Debian. They are supported in concert with the original authors (like Raul > said) but not by Debian themselves. Likewise, unless you do something > about it, Debian attempts to install Emacs for you by default (more like a > distribution package than an 'added' package). Even so, all that stuff > that got installed from the base tarball gets an entry in the dpkg > records and can be upgraded independently, even though the base system > depends on it. Now that is one of the things I'd like to see becoming reality with Debian/FreeBSD. I use both (FreeBSD since 2.2.2-RELEASE), and while I know it works, I really don't like the way you upgrade FreeBSD. I upgraded my FreeBSD box from 3.0 to 3.3 not so long ago, only to find myself in confronted with 3.4-release just a few weeks after. It's not that I don't want to compile things myself (I have a separate 600Mb /usr/src partition on my primary linux system ;-) I hate, for example, the fact that you can't really know what's getting installed when you do a 'make world' (unless of course you'd record all it's output and go check through that. > The question is when moving to DebianBSD, should it continue the tradition > of installing packages from Debian into /usr, and the user installed > packages from source go into /usr/local, or should it go the BSD way and > install only the base packages into /usr? There are several answers to > that question: > > - This _is_ going to be *Debian*BSD, and as Debian says, they're not just > a kernel... so the dominiant paradigm already in Debian makes more sense > to stick with in some ways. This is debatable of course since the Hurd > folks decided to install in /. And I guess it depends on whether you're > trying to add BSD into Debian or Debian into BSD. I'm rooting for the > former personally. > Exactly. Otherwise it might just be a matter of making a port of every Debian package which isn't ported yet. What I'm simply trying to say is, the people who are interested in Debian/FreeBSD don't want a few more packages added to a FreeBSD system, they want a *Debian* system, which happens to be 'Powered by FreeBSD' ;-) Those who'd want a FreeBSD system, it's already available (haven't you noticed?) > Buuuuut... on the making a new OS vs fixing the original, I think the > point is that people want to attempt a Debian / FreeBSD hybrid anyway, and > this doesn't adversely affect your ability to use FreeBSD. If you like it > better, then by all means, keep using it! =) I like Debian better, but I'd > like a BSD kernel. If there's a happy medium where we don't need to > recompile all the packages in Debian for the BSD kernel immidiately, but > it is possible to install that way, I'm all for at least playing with it. > See above. I don't mind the recompiling thing - I already do so on FreeBSD - but it'd be nice not having to do so, yes. > > More of the above: Things good with FreeBSD :) I get the feeling that > > the next entries will be things that I have to defend/fix :) > > Well.. again, I am just trying to brainstorm out some thoughts from the > point of view of a Linux user and a Debian user as to why I'd like to see > a DebianBSD. FreeBSD is a nice system on its own, and I'm not trying to > say that it needs to take a hint from Debian. I would just like to mash > together BSD and Debian for personal usage =) > I think that's what everybody who's in favour if this would want. I can't understand why the FreeBSD people on this list are so strong against it. > > The problem with the current method of managing the base system with > > cvsup/make world is? (There are binary upgrades available too, via > > sysinstall, but they are less popular. I've heard only good things The all-or-nothing approach. You get everything what is in bin, dict, des, doc, ... or you get nothing out of that set. Regards, Filip -- Get a life. Get Windows(tm). It makes you wanna spend a lot less time with your pc. <------------------------ Filip Van Raemdonck -----------------------> filipvr@xs4all.be Helpdesk Tel: +32/(0)9/265.02.05 http://www.xs4all.be Webengineering Fax: +32/(0)9/265.02.50 <-------------------- XS4ALL Internet Belgium ---------------------->
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