On Sun, 2013-06-02 at 19:36 +0100, Brian Potkin wrote: > On Fri 31 May 2013 at 15:11:50 -0400, Michael Gilbert wrote: > > > On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 3:06 PM, Cyril Brulebois wrote: > > > Michael Gilbert <mgilbert@debian.org> (31/05/2013): > > >> It would probably be good to get that discussion started early during > > >> this cycle to reduce the surprise factor. > > >> > > >> Since it was rather difficult to fit gnome onto 1 cd in wheezy (and I > > >> think some pieces were left off anyway), I think it makes sense now to > > >> start moving toward something like xfce as the default that's small, > > >> and mostly capable, and 4.10 (now making its way into unstable) brings > > >> much needed accessibility features. > > > > > > A somewhat related question is whether we're going to keep trying to > > > fit stuff onto CD#1, as opposed to moving to supporting various “USB > > > key sizes”. If I'm not mistaken, Steve has expressed such a wish (or > > > intent) during the last wheezy preparation steps. > > > > As a point of reference, I still have (and use every now and then) an > > old laptop that has a cd-rom but no dvd-rom, and its bios does not > > support usb booting. > > I have two desktops and a laptop (not all that old, five years) which do > not entertain booting from USB. So you learn to be resourceful. > > For Debian we have the hd-media kernel and initrd. grub-mkrescue will > make an iso with them and include a grub.cfg. iso-scan will find > whatever ISO you choose to put on another USB stick. I hope Debian will > continue to support those of us have such 'ancient' machines. [...] Booting from USB has been a standard feature for ~10 years; see e.g. <http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/wiki/usb_booting.html#BIOS_Limitations>. So those machines may not be ancient but they apparently have a crap BIOS. While we should probably continue to support 5 year old machines in general, I don't see why the default installation media should be held back by specific BIOS defects. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings You can't have everything. Where would you put it?
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