On Wed, 2009-04-08 at 16:22 +0200, Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote: > Nenolod: sorry for the other mail. > > William Pitcock wrote: > > On Tue, 2009-04-07 at 13:06 -0300, Otavio Salvador wrote: > >> On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 9:21 PM, William Pitcock > >> <nenolod@sacredspiral.co.uk> wrote: > >>> Lilo upstream is dead (no release in quite a while), but the lilo > >>> maintainer has also been seen as saying in various mailing lists etc, > >>> that since Debian patches lilo that he has no interest in helping to fix > >>> problems in our version. > >> Ok but you could try to push those patches upstream. This is how > >> grub has been improved and also parted. This works most of time. > >> > >> This way we "reduce" the amount of patches we keep in Debian > >> and also you could try to get in touch with other distros to share > >> the load and avoid reworking at same things. > > > > lilo is officially unmaintained now. The canonical website of lilo now > > points to a 404 error page, see http://lilo.go.dyndns.org/ . > > as grub was not really maintained. Also grub2 doesn't seems so fast in > development. > I think these kind of project have difficult to maintain motivated > maintainer. > > What do the other distributions? I've seen a few smaller distributions looking into extlinux as an alternative to lilo. Not sure what the redhat/fedora/centos/etc camp are doing though. > > extlinux seems the real alternative: the maintainer is active > in kernel boot since a lot of years, he has a good knowledge > of lilo (thus is not the usual: do a new project because I > cannot read/understand the old code). > > OTOH hpa test always the boot changes in kernel, and > lilo is always tested, so in this regards, he take also > care about lilo. > > > I think we need a discussion of the fate of lilo at DebConf. > I volunteer to check and give you technical details of the > main boot loaders for i386/amd64 architecture, so that > we can decide better (and give inputs to upstream on what > they miss). Any interest in such talk? It would be a good topic for discussion if I can make it to DebConf this year (which is probable, just a matter of getting a good deal on plane tickets). > > > BTW: my new laptop was saved by lilo ;-) One of my newer servers was also saved by lilo (fucking adaptec SAS controllers...). However, the current health of lilo is still something to be concerned about. > I installed grub (and Debian). Trying the Windows hidden partition > (to install windows), grub stopped working (it was rescue mode, but > without capability to rescue something). Also rescue disk + > reconfiguring + update-grub did nothing. > Installing lilo gave me a know boot environment, and it worked at > first try. So: lilo should live! That's because grub does a number of things incorrectly as well. I don't think extlinux repeats those mistakes though, at least from what I have seen in production. William
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