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Re: Bug#396365: please add a gdb .udeb, for easier debugging inside d-i



On Fri, Nov 03, 2006 at 07:04:03PM -0300, Otavio Salvador wrote:
> Sven Luther <sven.luther@wanadoo.fr> writes:
> 
> >> > I really would like to understand what is the rationale behind this. Adding a
> >> > .udeb into the archive, if it is not part of the image, and not loaded by d-i,
> >> > can hardly have any influence on d-i.
> >> 
> >> Not exactly. When we're building the cdimage we need to "blacklist"
> >> the useless udebs to make CD images smaller and like. So there're some
> >> consequencies with d-i, yes.
> >
> > This is a debian-cd issue though, and not a d-i one. And well, adding more
> > .udebs to the blacklist seems trivial enough. Especialy for a single .udeb
> > like in this case, but it is good to know.
> 
> Well, it's trivial but the team need to be aware of those
> modifications otherwise it can take a while to discover useless udebs
> that are being include on the image. Currently there's no automatic CD
> testing tool to try to figure those mistakes out as fast as we would
> like to.

Bah, i can commit to debian-cd, and now that i know about this fact, if ever a
.udeb i asked is out there, i will naturally add it to the blacklist.

> >> I personally avoid to open bugs when I can contact the team directly
> >> and leave the bug reporting resource for people that doesn't know the
> >> team.
> >
> > Well, since communincation between me and the d-i team have not been so great
> > lately, and i really thought that the d-i tags would be enough, i thought this
> > the best way. 
> 
> That's the main reason why I replied the Frans message. I understood
> why you reported the bug and on this case I think you did right.
> 
> >> But I don't see anything wrong about opening a bug for check if
> >> there's something that might be useful to have in.
> >
> > I can understand frans's point on this though, he fears that people will
> > believe i represent the d-i team in this, and add the .udeb on my request.
> >
> > A bit like Andreas Jochens asking for the ppc64 ports, while his stuff is not
> > even in debian and he has no relationship or even tried to work together, with
> > the rest of the powerpc porter team.
> 
> I understand both sides (your and Frans') and I also agree with him in
> some part.
> 
> Besides, I agree with Joey Hess point that there's no need to add this
> udeb since we can add external binaries trivially on the built image.

Yeah, but adding them to the image is not always the best solution, loading
afterward may be a better way.

Also, there may be another future for .udebs out there than just for d-i use,
altough i know the d-i folk doesn't like this :)

Friendly,

Sven Luther



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