Re: OldWorld Mac-specific problems; perhaps drop?
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On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 12:48:57 +0200
Sven Luther <email@example.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 11, 2006 at 05:12:09AM -0400, Daniel Dickinson wrote:
> > As you know I've been doing a fair bit of playing around with d-i
> > and debian on oldworld powerpc macintosh, although I'm only just
> > now getting a development machine setup. Because of the problems
> > with a lack of dfsg-free means to boot the installer on old world,
> > the fact that the only method available for sarge no longer works
> > (BootX; which can't be used on new world machiens) with 2.6.16
> The official method of booting oldworld powermacs is using the miboot
> floppies, and altough miboot is currently non-free, work is under way
I beg to differ. The manual for sarge didn't mention miboot floppies
at all (because they're non-free and apparently can't even be in
non-free). CD booting doesn't work on old world (requires non-free
apple boot code), and netboot only works with built-in ethernet cards
(and not on all systems with them). That leaves BootX, which was also
non-free, but didn't require debian directly use it (unlike the miBoot
> to free it, and there are other people here who are working on
> bettering the floppies, please participate to that effort or
I intend to do what I can, but I don't think we should claim to support
something that we can't, at least not officially.
> BootX was not a recomended way to boot those machines as far as i am
> There are rumors that you can use also a .coff kernel+ramdisk and use
> that one to boot those boxes, which would be gully free, but nobody
> ever investigated this.
How would this work? By setting boot-device and boot-file? I'd try
this, but mkvmlinuz complains about the coff format in the initrd.
> So what would you gain by dropping support ?
We wouldn't be claiming to support something that isn't actually
supported, namely installation on old world mac. Also, if the kernel
situation doesn't get resolved, old world mac won't be supported in
And that's my crabbing done for the day. Got it out of the way early,
now I have the rest of the afternoon to sniff fragrant tea-roses or
strangle cute bunnies or something. -- Michael Devore
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