Re: Report on PowerPC Installation Experiences
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I know it's bad form to reply to yourself, but I wanted add to the list
of d-i on powerpc issues...
On Wed, 24 May 2006 03:12:19 -0400
Daniel Dickinson <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
> Hello D-I Team,
> I have finally had a successful couple of installs on an 'old world'
> mac-clone and would like to report to you on my experiences. Some of
> the findings are things for which I will submit patches to the
> installation manual, and others will have to wait until I get into the
> d-i code (and scripts, and packages lists, etc).
> First my hardware environment:
> It's a StarMax 4000/160 with 96 Mib of RAM, which uses an Apple
> Tanzania motherboard, and which MacOS 9.1 System Profiler reports as a
> PowerMac 4400. I initially installed onto a 9.1 GB SCSI hard drive,
> and when I was having trouble with that, a 6.4 GB IDE drive, and once
> I achieved success retried the scsi drive.
> At this point I haven't successfully installed a dual boot
> environment, but I anticipate that I will be able to do so later this
> The first challenge was booting the installer. Last week I tried the
> miBoot-enabled boot floppies, but all that happened is that they got
> ejected. The version of miBoot that comes with BootX got further
> (kernel messages appeared, but the screen was unreadable), but because
> I couldn't read the messages I didn't pursue it beyond noting that it
I have successfully installed with miBoot-enabled floppies from the
23rd. The 24th's still get ejected after a small amount of disk
The 23rd's floppies seem to have issues with not loading modules, even
though the udebs with the modules have been loaded (and the modules
are under /lib/modules/... I think that either the .map files, or
modules.dep doesn't contain the entire list of modules (this may be
linked to loading both the net-drivers and cd-drivers floppies and not
only one). Manual 'insmod' works (provided you can figure out which
modules depend on which others).
Also, a paperclip is necessary to eject the boot floppy in order to
load the ramdisk floppy and to switch to the cd and/or net drivers
And something I have observed for both Beta2 and the daily builds, is
that the quik install step fails if /boot and root are not the same
partition. According to the quik documentation quik requires
that /boot and root be on the same disk, but not that they be the same
> Using BootX on a MacOS partition, on the other hand worked fine. It
> only works with the vmlinux kernels, not any of the vmlinuz-xxx
> kernels, even the vmlinuz-coff kernel. Once I had BootX, vmlinux,
> and an the installer initrd.gz in the same folder (HFS+ works fine,
> probably because the kernel and ramdisk are in memory not read from
> disk). I have had success with the mini.iso for netboot as well as a
> renamed netinst.iso (the default name of
> debian-powerpc-testing-....iso is too long for HFS, but once it's
> renamed to netinst.iso all is fine) with the cd install kernel and
> initrd.gz. The iso must be on an HFS partition (possibly a FAT
> partition will do as well, but I haven't tried that yet), not HFS+.
> Once I got BootX working, I went through the install process. For IDE
> the process went smoothy, with the exception that, because quik
> requires that the kernel and initrd be on ext2 but partman defaults to
> ext3, once you get to the quik install portion of the install you get
> an error message, and kicked into the menu. On each menu step, the
> quik installation is automatically retried, which means that after
> re-partitioning, before you get a chance to install the base system,
> the installer tries to redo the quik install step, which fails with an
> error message. It's a bit annoying, but goes away once you reinstall
> the base system.
> On reboot, quik does it's thing, but no kernel messages are displayed
> on the screen (maybe they're getting sent to OpenFirmware's
> output-device instead of the framebuffer device?), which, the first
> few times I tried installing, made me think the machine was hung.
> Wait long enough, however, and you get the login: prompt.
> SCSI is not so happy, unfortunately. It just sits at the penguin logo
> screen (top left corner of the screen) and does nothing. I suspect
> that this is because the necessary driver is not being included in the
> ramdisk by initramfs-tools (I had a similar problem with
> initramfs-tools on i386), so I will be trying yaird to see if it makes
> a difference.
> Also, for scsi, the quik-install step fails during OpenFirmware update
> step. Going to vc/2, chroot'ing into /target, and using
> 'nvsetenv boot-device "scsi-int@sd0@0"'
> followed by a manual quik install (I'll have to check the exact
> command line I used, basically I manually set the first.b, second.b,
> and config file) seems to work (although it's possible that failure
> to boot is because the manual quik install is wrong) seems works. At
> least the nvram is set as it should be and quik executes on boot (so
> the mbr is correct at least).
> I'll report more on the my scsi tests, as I perform them. I also
> intend to try dual boot with quik and BootX.
> I have also figured out that a netinst cd with bootx could be used to
> bootstrap the system, if you have a MacOS 8.1 DiskTools 2 PPC floppy
> (downloadable free of charge from apple.com) with an Apple CD-ROM
> driver instead of Disk FirstAid. It requires a non-free floppy, but I
> believe the cd would still be dfsg-free (at least BootX was included
> with woody, but I will have to double-check the license).
> Ideally the miBoot floppies will work (and I will be trying the latest
> versions once I finish with my scsi tests).
> Also, I will copy the logs to floppy before rebooting, so that I can
> submit them as well.
I haven't got scsi working yet, and have to wait for my PRAM to
discharge before I can test again (the macs I have use PS/2 or ADB
keyboards, but I only have a PS/2 keyboard, and it appears that the
PS/2 keyboard is not activated until late in the boot sequence so I am
unable to Alt-Apple-R-P). With beta2 I got as far as a penguin logo,
but with the daily floppies I'm just gettin a blank black screen on
reboot (on my scsi system).
And that's my crabbing done for the day. Got it out of the way early,
now I have the rest of the afternoon to sniff fragrant tea-roses or
strangle cute bunnies or something. -- Michael Devore
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