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Bug#323182: debian-installer: boot.img for sarge doesn't, on PPC



Le lun 2005-08-15 a 17:44:46 -0400, Sven Luther <sven.luther@wanadoo.fr> a dit:
> On Mon, Aug 15, 2005 at 06:13:12PM +0200, Geert Stappers wrote:
> > severity 323182 normal
> > thanks mate
> > 
> > 
> 
> Ok, please ignore my previous mail, it is stupid.

then disregard my reply to it :).

> The boot.img are the miboot floppies for oldworld pmacs. These are saddly not
> useable in sarge, because miboot is non-free (due to the one boot block which
> is coming directly from apple and has a couple tens of m68k assembly
> instructions nobody could be bothered to reverse-enginneer).

um, i would, if i had the skills. and yes they still would be useful.
i also have other ideas, such as pulling the rom off oldworlds, and
sticking an eeprom chip on them, and turning them into frankenworlds.
"oldworld" mac ppcs with as-new-or-newer-firmware-than-newworlds.
would take some work to figure out what to keep on the old MacROM, to
have them still function, but we could get rid of some issues with
these things - like no cd linux booting, buggy firmware on the beige
g3s such that they don't quik boot properly, etc. ...

as to miboot + the bootable codemaybe it's about time someone did
something about it, instead of saying "it's not worth it, these are
too old anyway". maybe they are, but why judge hardware based on what
a corporation thinks?

> As a result, the floppies present in sarge are entirely broken and will never
> work. Also the 2.6 floppies, even with miboot present never worked fiably,
> annd since we are doing away with the 2.4 kernels for etch, this means that
> the miboot floppy target is going away then.

um, maybe them not working should have been fixed instead of releasing
them with sarge... isn't that irresponsible to do so?

> Anyway, please try some of the older daily builds found on my site :
> 
>   http://people.debian.org/~luther/d-i/sarge/images/
> 
> Chose a date, and go to powerpc/floppy-2.4 to find something working.

i *know* those work, at least a lot of them do. what's so different
with these, vs. the ones released?

> Again, sorry for my other stupid mail, and test these ones.

np.

> Maybe i should build a couple of miboot floppies accompanying the official
> release ?

that would be nice, and appreciated. quite often people installing
linux want nothing to do with mock os, or apple. the oldworlds often
give this opportunity, since you can do what you want to them, and not
care about some stupid "warranty". and they work very wel, *despite*
the bugs in OF, since a) there's ways around the orked bits of the 
firmware; b) a lot of them are very upgradable hardware-wise; c) they 
run linux better than they do mock os.

simon

> Friendly,
> 
> Sven Luther
> 

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