Triggered by some installation reports where I noticed udev being mentioned, there was the following discussion on #d-boot: <fjp> I sometimes see udev mentioned in installation reports. How would a user get udev with d-i? It isn't installed by default, is it? <h01ger> desktop-task, gnome pulls in udev - afaik <fjp> Ah, right. * fjp practically never installs the desktop task... <Kamion> that's crack, that means that udev is being installed after the first reboot so you have to put up with the static /dev -> udev transition <Kamion> although I guess that means we force the static /dev -> udev transition to work :P <Kamion> but it means you really need another reboot to get the system into a vaguely sane state <fjp> Kamion: Yes, the installation report was complaining about that. RC bug against gnome? ;-) <Kamion> dunno; there's an argument that says we should always install udev for 2.6 installs, but it's too late to make that change <Kamion> (would require a lot of testing) * h01ger can confirm: i also saw this (unable to login via ssh & local via console) after installing desktop-task last weekend - a reboot "fixed it". as tfm says... <h01ger> errata ? <fjp> h01ger: That would be a bit thin for Sarge release. Who reads the errata before installing officially released CDs? Release notes or installation manual: maybe a few more people, but same thing. So, are we happy that installation of the desktop task is going to force a 'static /dev -> udev transition' (as Colin so beautifully calls it) on users? There appear to be several consequences from installing udev in 2nd stage: - system needs to be rebooted one more time; - from Holgers comment: system may not be fully usable until the reboot; - as I understand it from reading some threads on the lists, support for some devices which work fine _without_ udev may need manual configuration of udev before they will work _with_ udev. Can/should anything be done about this? If it's left in, how can we best document it? -- Cheers, FJP
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