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Re: new installer

On Thu, Oct 02, 2003 at 01:40:11AM -0800, Ethan Benson wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 02, 2003 at 10:49:16AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> > On Thu, Oct 02, 2003 at 12:33:53AM -0800, Ethan Benson wrote:
> > > On Thu, Oct 02, 2003 at 10:19:58AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> > > > > a .coff kernel won't autoboot, the user would have to manually get
> > > > > into OpenFirmware and boot it explicity.
> > > > 
> > > > Ok, the .coff is for manual installation using the OF. 
> > > 
> > > yes which is unprecedented for oldworlds.
> > 
> > Huh ???
> nobody boots the installer via OF on oldworlds, never have.
> OF isn't used for booting until the base system is installed on the
> disk and quik installed.

A, ok.

> > > BootX is a macos program and is thus irrelevant to debian.
> > 
> > Not so, it could be used to boot the initial installation disk, could it
> > not ? You create a bootx directory or image or whatever, and then start
> > that, which will follow up to install debian and quik or whatever.
> debian mandates no reliance on non-free software, macos is very
> non-free.  and in fact most oldworld people i encounter on irc do NOT
> have any macos available when starting the install process.  thus
> depending on bootx would be very foolish.

But using it if its available would be a solution.

> > Does BootX also work on newworld ?
> absolutly not.


> > > all irrelevant.  look at vmlinux a the root of the source tree.
> > 
> > All irrelevant to you maybe, but i need to build kernels for all
> > architecture from a single kernel build on a single subarch (this being
> > a CHRP based pegasos), so i need to look into this, or i will simply
> > ship the chrp kernel, which will not work for other ppc subarches.
> give up on the idea of a master kernel that works on more then one
> powerpc, its not gunna happen.

Currently, the oldpamc, newpmac, chrp, chrp-rs6k, prep kernels are all
built from the same source, and with the same configuration file.
Furthermore, they use the same build target (zImage), at least as far as
kernel-package is concerned, and i suppose it works for most people,
since nobody complained. So this is already happening.

> as for arch/ppc none of that works with any powerpc bootloader.
> yaboot2 might accept some of them, MIGHT.  but for now, ONLY the
> vmlinux at the root of the tree if of any use.

Well, but right now, yaboot2 is very far from a usable state, so we
don't care for the sarge release, or did it change recently ?

> > > yaboot (and quik, and miboot) requires the vmlinux at the root of the
> > > source tree.  all that crap in arch/ppc is irrlevant and unusable for
> > > bootloaders.
> > 
> > But for miboot it can be compressed ? What about quick ?
> miboot is the only loader that supports gzip.  yaboot2 will support
> gzip too.


> > > > This leaves the miboot.image and the vmlinux.gz i don't know anything
> > > > about.
> > > 
> > > both wrong.
> > 
> > What are these for then ?
> who knows, they are probably cruft.

You don't know, i will probably look at this myself, or wait for
explanation of more knowledgeable people.

> > > retarded mess that is yaboot-installer.  whoever got ahold of that has
> > > obviously NEVER read one line of yaboot documentation, nor ever looked
> > > at the yaboot package.
> > 
> > Hey come on, insulting people is not a good way of going forward, and in
> > general gives other a bad opinion of you. And it seems that work about
> im not insulting anyone, im stating FACTS.

Sure, but they are more or less insulting ways of saying it, please stay

> facts such as:
> 1) ybin is in /usr/sbin, not /sbin (and won't be until 2.0)
> 2) for first yaboot install you *MUST* run mkofboot NOT ybin.
> 3) the bootstrap partition does NOT need HFS for mkofboot to work.
> all of this is VERY well documented.  and the first version of
> yaboot-installer created by Colin Walters did not have any of these
> problems, someone took it over after Colin abandoned the powerpc
> platform and proceeded to break it in numerous ways.
> in any event i already provide all the tool debian needs, they should
> just run yabootconfig and things will just work.  thats how woody is done.

Sure sure ...


Sven Luther

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