Re: amiga 'native OS' install
On Wed, 20 Jan 1999 19:32:39 -0800, Michael Schmitz <MSchmitz@lbl.gov> said:
> 2.5: you're going to have a hard time finding any vendor selling
> m68k Amigas, Ataris or Macs. If you're lucky you may find them
> second hand. In this context, mentioning vendors that ship Debian
> pre-installed on m68k machines is an Intelsim and can be deleted
> without losing any information for the user.
Saying it's an Intelism is wrong. Remember, we're releasing for Sparc
and Alpha as well. I've added a note however.
> 2.5.1: Apple has granted programming information on _none_ of the
> components in their m68k machines. Some things are off-the-shelf
> components, such as serial and SCSI controllers or Ethernet
> chips. For these cases, only the system integration needs to be
> figured out (where, which interrupt).
[...]
> In summary, I don't see the need to name the bad guys, and the
> simple hint 'ask for Linux support when shopping for hardware'
> should be enough.
Well, I don't mind slamming them a little for it. Here's what I put:
... Another example is the proprietary hardware in the older
Macintosh line.
<![ %m68k [ In fact, no specifications or documentation have ever
been released for the ADB controller (used by the mouse and
keyboard), the floppy controller, and all acceleration and CLUT
manipulation of the video hardware. In a nutshell, this explains
why the Macintosh Linux port lags behind other Linux ports. ]]>
I think it doesn't hurt to explain some of the glitches in the Mac
port of Debian.
> 3.1: Add 'if you repartition the boot drive, prepare for
> reinstalling the operating system from distribution media' ?
Added:
Even if you are installing a multi-operating system, make sure that
you have on hand the distribution media of any other present
operating systems. Especially if you repartition your boot drive,
you might find that you have to reinstall your operating system's
boot loader.
> 3.2: The fdisk manpages all lead to nothing; at least the Atari man
> page exists.
This is a fact of how you setup your top-level Makefile variables.
'pathcmd' needs to be able to find {atari,amiga,pmac,mac}-fdisk_*.deb
packages to extract the proper man pages.
> 3.3: the firmware section can be omitted; it's more relevant to
> point out the operating system version requirements
> here. I.e. AmigaOS patches or ROM versions (maybe in the FAQ)
What FAQ? m68k FAQ? Or the amiga faq (URL needed for the latter)? I
looked and couldn't find any stuff about Amiga patches or ROM
versions.
> and
> for Mac users the minimum MacOS version (>= 7.1 I think, system in
> 32 bit mode recommended).
Well, it's hard for me to omit a section for one architecture only,
but I've added. I've stubbed out this section...
Could someone look at
<URL:http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/mac68k/faq/faq-3.html#ss3.7> and tell
me what if any of the recommendations listed there are required?
These don't seem to be mentioned in the Mac install guide.
1.Monitor Control Panel is set to 1-bit video. If you have more
than one video card, make sure both are set to 1-bit (this is no
longer necessary unless you will be using dt or monochrome X,
but anything higher than 8-bit just might hang the machine).
2.your machine prefers an FPU (M68881/M68882 or full 68040).
3.your 68020 machine has a PMMU (M68851).
4.32-bit addressing is turned "on" in the Memory Control Panel.
5.Machines with 32-bit dirty ROMs have MODE32 installed with
32-bit addressing turned "on". (These machines are the Mac II,
IIx, IIcx, and SE/30. There are others, but they will not run
NetBSD.)
6.Virtual Memory is turned "off" in the Memory Control Panel.
and
12.You are booting without any inits (i.e. extensions), especially
RAM Doubler. Mode32 is the exception. To disable extensions,
hold down the Shift key during MacOS boot.
13.Your are running at least System 7.0. The current version of the
Booter utility no longer works under System 6.x.x.
14.Remove any non-standard (i.e. non-Apple) hardware. Not all
hardware is supported at the moment, and some may cause the boot
to hang.
> 4.5.x: Information on Atari and Mac partitioning is missing.
Ugh; I know. I have to go through the install guides and add
this. *SOB* *SOB* Can't someone send me patches? Michael, I love you
but your rambling comments about completely lacking sections are a far
cry from acceptable documentation. And other people are getting
pissed at me since I'm lagging behind on getting changes implemented.
I'm just going to start slapping this stuff in, I'm tired and your
mail is long. ;)
> 5.2.1: 'booting from floppy' on Atari still means starting the boot
> loader on the floppy manually. It's not really different from
> booting from the disk (just slower).
> For all m68k machines, booting from an existing operating system is
> the _only_ option. There's a LILO for Amiga and even for Atari but
> no one has written the scripts to use these boot methods for
> Debian/68k yet.
I don't understand why you are building disk images then? Moreover,
you are contradicting *at* least
<URL:http://www.linux-m68k.org/debian-mac.html> where he goes on about
how you can build floppy images. In the Atari pages, he says "Note:
initially, only the floppy install method is supported."
I'm very confused.
> 5.3:
> amigainstall.lha, install.lzh (Atari) and Install.sit (Mac) are
> missing.
Should it be:
<url id="amiga/amigainstall.lha"> (Amiga), <url id="atari/install.lzh"> (Atari),
or <url id="mac/Install.sit"> (Mac) -- Operating system installers
?
I'll try to add the rest tomorrow. Thanks for all the great work...
> 10.3: Trademarks are all irrelevant (Alpha is a trademark of Compaq
> now I guess); m68k stuff needs adding.
No longer. I just blanket trademark.
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.....Adam Di Carlo....adam@onShore.com.....<URL:http://www.onShore.com/>
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