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Re: Re: Would like review of what seems to be a blend forming for the cloud

Hello again,

Quoting Jonas Smedegaard (Mon, 14 Apr 2014 23:20:33 +0200)

> Just for the record: I don't feel you are violating anything here - just 
> seems your expectations for Debian dynamics is flawed: We have very 
> little hierarchy - almost nowhere do we dictate what others should do - 
> we are all volunteers so change happen by diving in and get involved 
> where you want change to happen, not by voting or referring to policies.

Thank you again for continuing to help me understand the Debian community dynamics. I certainly didn't expect an organization as large as Debian to have an organization tree with a maximum depth of one. Its really amazing.

> (yes, we do have policies, but they are "backwards": written as _result_ 
> of common practices, not the other way around)

In my opinion the issues I've identified on the Debian Cloud mailing list can only be resolved with policies. Specifically I believe I have found both conflict of interest and architectural decisions that are degrading the user experience of individuals searching for Debian/Stable. I have written detailed emails on both of those topics to the cloud list and there has not been any activity on the list in the past several days since I have done that.

I see a couple possibilities: I am spectacularly wrong and have been a fool. I don't see that as being more than 25% true (1/4 wrong and 1/4 fool, perhaps that is 1/2 glorious failure?) but will accept that it is possible it is 100% true. The other possibility I see are that the Debian cloud community is not functioning at this moment. It seems that the conflict of interest issues are impacting the ability to get the community discussion flowing again. I also believe this is an indicator that the end users of the cloud images are not represented well.

I again ask for review of the situation - this time not to tell the Debian cloud list what to do but to evaluate the status and get discussion flowing again. If I'm a fool lets at least get that published to the list so its well known to people in the future that may wish to understand the topic.

For reference here are some URLs:

* https://lists.debian.org/debian-cloud/2014/04/msg00067.html On the topic of conflict of interest and the Debian/Stable user experience
* https://lists.debian.org/debian-cloud/2014/04/msg00068.html On the topic of architectural decisions and technology integrated into the Debian project
* https://lists.debian.org/debian-cloud/2014/04/msg00057.html Start of thread asking about community charter and a call to discuss policies

I'm personally at a loss to understand where else this kind of review would best come from. It seems that the overlap with blends is so strong that this is the place to go. If I'm wrong (possibly again and 105% fool?) then please point me to a better place.

Thank you,


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