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Re: nvidia-driver

On Sat, Nov 04, 2006 at 10:56:55AM +0000, kees wrote:
> Jo Shields wrote:
> >On Fri, 2006-11-03 at 11:40 +0000, kees wrote:
> > 
> >>Hello folks,
> >>Although the problem I am talking about is a general debian 
> >>problem/bug, I am
> >>sending my message to this list, as there seems to be no list 
> >>adequate for this subject and
> >>the machine I am working on is a amd64.
> >>The problem is the impossibility to get a working nvidia driver with 
> >>glx.
> >>In the past 10 years or so, I never had any problem with my several 
> >>nvidia cards/drivers
> >>on debian, but now it seems to be impossible to get things right.
> >>The problem is, that when I compile a kernel with the builtin nv 
> >>driver, I cannot get
> >>glx, which I need for my work with opengl.
> >>    
> >
> >The kernel does not include any drivers called "nv". XFree86 and XOrg do
> >- and the kernel includes a framebuffer driver called nvidiafb
> >
> > 
> >>So I abandoned the builtin driver, but now there seems to be no 
> >>debian package for
> >>nvidiakernel+glx (I am using etch but the same is true for the other 
> >>releases).
> >>    
> >
> >O RLY?
> >http://packages.debian.org/stable/x11/nvidia-glx
> >http://packages.debian.org/unstable/x11/nvidia-glx
> >
> > 
> >>I tried to install the driver etc. via the *.run file downloaded from 
> >>nvidia, but this
> >>also did not work (got complaints/errors about not finding the driver 
> >>module, although
> >>the driver existed and was loaded).
> >>    
> >
> >Which error precisely? It's impossible to give adequate support for
> >inadequate questions - can you imagine a car mechanic being asked to
> >provide the appropriate fixes for "there's a blinky light on the thing,
> >next to the thing"?
> >
> > 
> >>Although I am no newby (I am working with linux for about 15 years),
> >>    
> >
> >You ran Linux the year the 0.0.1 kernel was written as a drop-in for
> >Minix, and about two years before Yggdrasil Linux (the first ever
> >distribution) had its first release? Impressive.
> >
> > 
> >> I could have made some stupid mistake. But I have the impression 
> >>that debian is fighting
> >>a small war with nvidia with the result that the owners of nvidia 
> >>hardware will suffer.
> >>    
> >
> >Works for me.
> >
> > 
> >>I hope I am mistaken in this but without a solution I am bound to 
> >>abandon debian
> >>which I will regret very much after so many years working with this 
> >>fine distribution.
> >>Therefore I would be very glad to recieve hints/solutions to solve 
> >>this problem.
> >>    
> >
> >So give information which it's possible to support.
> >
> >1) What's your hardware?
> >2) What's your kernel?
> >3) What's the expected behaviour?
> >4) What, precisely, is the actual behaviour?
> >
> >
> >
> >  
> Dear Jo,
> Thank you for your very prompt reply!!
> Not only giving the right information but also accurate reading of 
> information
> is necessary for a right understanding.
> I did not mention the exact date and hour of my starting with linux, but 
> I used the
> expression ABOUT, remember? So maybe it's not so impressive after all.
> Now let's come to the information you asked for:
> Processor: AMD Athlon 64 3800+ (dual core)
> Motherboard Asus A8N-E
> Videocard: Nvidia 6600
> Kernel 2.6.15-8
> Distro: Debian etch, updated till ABOUT july 2006
> Expected behaviour:A working X-Windows (Xfree etc. etc.) system WITH GLX,
>                                glxinfo should give the right answers.
> Actual behaviour:X-Windows etc. was working but without GLX.
> I tried to correct this in so many ways I cannot remember now, but all 
> in vain.
> As I in the meantime had also problems with upgrading libc6,  maybe as a 
> result of
> installing the newest gcccompiler with openmp (which I needed) from a 
> gnu tarfile
> and not as a debian package (the debian gcccompiler did not yet support 
> openmp), my
> system ended up unworkable for the first time in 13-15 years!!
> Now I have decided to sweep away the rubbish and install a brand new 
> debian system.
> But before I do so, I have to be sure that the nvidia driver will work 
> the right way,
> that is with GLX.
> I hope that you understand that it is impossible for me to tell you in 
> detail everything
> I tried in putting my system right.
> One important problem was, that there seems to be no nvidia-driver or 
> -glx package in etch.
> I read something about using drivers  from the unstable repository, do 
> you think
> that advisable? I never used anything from unstable (don't like the word).
> Greetings,
> Kees.
> P.S. If the debian meaning of the word unstable means what the 
> dictionary says,
> I think it is a very bad policy of debian to force a lot of people to 
> endanger their
> systems by using unstable software!!!!!!!!

It is not Debian's intention to force anybody to use anything.  It is 
Debian's intention to produce the most stable Linux system in existence, 
and it's called stable.  The testing and unstable distributions are 
there as intermediate steps to that end.

Unfortunately, reality intervenes.  It takes time to get a release to 
the point where it is stable, and as a result the stable distribution is 
always relatively obsolete compared with the latest hardware and 

My advice to new Debianists is to buy only hardware that's a year or two 
old.  It's often cheaper, too.  Get into testing and unstable once you 
have some experience and are willing to pay the price for helping debug 
the next stable release.

-- hendrik

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