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Re: Debian Accessibility

The best virtualization software in my opinion is Qemu, especially wrt sound
thus speech.


On 30/12/2021 19:15, Jordan Livesey wrote:
> I have tried one time but was unable to get speech output and was using a
> virtual machine due to my machine being a secure boot system, the debian
> installer is my favorite text based installer but I like how features are being
> borrowed from it, I've yet to do a debian installation video on youtube since
> I've done others
> On Thu, Dec 30, 2021 at 6:13 PM Didier Spaier <didier@slint.fr
> <mailto:didier@slint.fr>> wrote:
>     The Slint installer borrows at least one feature from the Debian installer: the
>     way sound cards are probed just after booting, to find a working one (thanks
>     Samuel).
>     More generally, sharing ideas and features between distribution benefit users of
>     all of them. Trying to find which one is the best is pointless as it depends on
>     the users' needs and use cases, in other words their requirements.
>     Cheers,
>     Didier
>     On 30/12/2021 18:56, Jordan Livesey wrote:
>     > Another thing, about the installer, even if you don’t know how to get
>     speech on,
>     > this is for anyone new, they can just press the down arrow 5 times on the boot
>     > menu on an refi system, plus on supported systems, like my old Lenovo, you
>     hear
>     > 2 beeps, I believe the current project leader is also visually impaired, if I
>     > could, I could back port orca41 since I’ve had no trouble using it
>     >
>     >> On 30 Dec 2021, at 17:52, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. <n1ea@arrl.net
>     <mailto:n1ea@arrl.net>
>     >> <mailto:n1ea@arrl.net <mailto:n1ea@arrl.net>>> wrote:
>     >>
>     >> Hello,friendly list, this discussion was inside another discussion and
>     perhaps
>     >> partly because of my poor choice of words, was thought to be a distro flame
>     >> war, but that was never my intention or desire.
>     >>
>     >> I want to make a point about Accessibility in general and Accessibility
>     >> in Debian in particular.  Nothing I say should be taken as an offense to any
>     >> of the developers who have done an amazing job in making Linux, and Debian in
>     >> particular accessible.
>     >>
>     >> My two favorite Linux distros are Debian and Slint. I have some favorable
>     >> comments about how robust Slackware is opposed to Debian - or most other
>     >> distributions - but that's way off topic.  Suffice it to say, that being a
>     >> Debian is the only way to go type person, I've been very impressed with the
>     >> robustness of Slackware, especially the accessible International version,
>     Slint.
>     >>
>     >> Now on topic.
>     >>
>     >> Part of accessibility is having accessibility features known about by users
>     >> and have them easily used.  Debian does this very well in their installer
>     >> which speaks to blind or visually impaired users, and provides visually
>     >> impaired users with a high contrast graphical installer.  Excellent.
>     >>
>     >> My original post - which I take responsibility of not wording as well as I
>     >> should have mentioned "ease of use". I was attempting both to tell the
>     members
>     >> of this list, which are both users and developers about how Slint based on
>     >> Slackwware has succeeded in having almost all of it's accessibility features
>     >> accessible to the new non-technical user.  As the blind that go to the
>     >> museums  say:  "What's good of having guided tour headphones available in the
>     >> manager's office when the only notice of them is a written notice we
>     cannot see?"
>     >>
>     >> None of the accessibility features in Slint require any user effort other
>     than
>     >> running a script to use. With Debian you first have to know these features
>     >> even exist, then you have to install them. In Slint, thanks to Didier
>     Spaier's
>     >> work these features are documented in an accessible console document. Of
>     >> course, his work depends in part on your wonderful work on brltty and other
>     >> features, again, this is not an invitation to a distro war, it's just about
>     >> accessibility features being accessible and my recognizing these features
>     have
>     >> been wonderfully achieved in Slint.
>     >>
>     >> If such wonderful achievements aren't at least mentioned, some or all of them
>     >> will probably never be brought into Debian to improve accessibility.Certainly
>     >> as Samuel pointed out, all these features are available in Debian, but
>     >> unfortunately it takes a bit of digging to find out about them.
>     >>
>     >> Again, thanks to everyone for their efforts in achieving accessibility of
>     >> Linux. This always was a team effort of many selfless persons world-wide, and
>     >> for that I am personally grateful and appreciative.
>     >>
>     >> David 
>     >

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