Re: Iggdrasil, a new amazing screenreader

Jordan,

You are misinformed and by posting here you are unfortunately posting misinformation. SLINT is based on the newest version of Slackware. The other accessible distributions didn't go out of support because people didn't like them, people loved them but they were all volunteer projects as is Debian and there are only so many volunteers and volunteer funders.

Current Debian doesn't work for me, the old Debian certainly did, so until it's fixed I'll go back to Debian 9. No big deal.

Also there is a script in Slint to install the latest version of Google Chrome, so you're also misinformed about this also.

You won't find Google Chrome on Debian but you'll find the latest version is installable with the "latest" script in SLINT.

Also as soon as Slackware goes to 15.0, SLINT will also upgrade to 15.0.

Best wishes,

David

On Thu, Dec 30, 2021, 02:58 Jordan Livesey <jordanlivesey9@gmail.com> wrote:

slint is not based on a newer version of slackware, also, it doesn't support secure boot and that is why I favor debian because it does, I highly discourage anyone from using slackware or anything based on it especially for new users, also, linux distros that focus on accessibility tend to go out of support pretty quickly, look at talking arch, keysoft linux, vinux, sonar, and luwrain for instance, nobody liked them so they stopped being supported because mainstream linux was accessible enough, why do you think debian is the king of accessibility, it just works, boot your install up, down arrow 5 times and voa lah you have speech, for those sighted they can use calamares, sidenote you can't install chrome on slackware and for those who use it, like me, disappointing, even solus is bad

On Thu, Dec 30, 2021 at 7:54 AM D.J.J. Ring, Jr. <n1ea@arrl.net> wrote:
Hello Samuel,

What I meant is that SLINT comes pre-installed and preconfigured with all those console screen readers as well as emacspeak all preconfigured for the user and two simple scripts that allow the user to switch screen readers by just entering the name of the screen reader.

Additionally when emacspeak is switched on, the script asks if the user if the voxin voices are going to be used.

Thirdly, the user can decide with scripts if he wishes to boot into just console text mode or into the graphical environment. Many users rely on old hardware that is slow in graphical environment but which are fast in text console mode.

No distro war is being stirred up, but it would be wonderful if Debian had these things set up for users who want them. Many of us struggle with getting things to work.

It took me years to figure out how to install emacspeak and configure the speech server. I understand it's much easier in Debian now, but it's as easy as entering the command "switch-on emacspeak" and an emacs file is produced with the right content and everything!

It took me years to figure out that some of the on line documentation for emacspeak no longer applied.

Years of effort compared with one fast command "switch-on emacspeak" is a huge difference.

The documentation is all in "slint-docs" excellently written and easy to follow, right in the console.

Now if someone would give us a script to configure mutt and alpine everything would be all done.

Debian could and probably will do all of this in ten years, and I'm looking forward to it as once I found the Debian iso files with firmware, Debian has been my favorite distribution but currently the latest Debian installation DVD doesn't find my sound card and I have X org errors so I cannot boot into Mate except by using root account. So until Debian starts working for me again, I'm using SLINT.

But I can use the old Debian 9 and use that with my home files, just not Debian 10.1. I'll have to find the time to reinstall the old Debian, I've spent two weeks trying to install Debian 10.1 without screen reader and then without graphics (except when using root). I love Debian but accessibility is an after thought compared to Slint which has accessibility as one of its primary goals.

Happy 2022!

David

On Thu, Dec 30, 2021, 02:10 Samuel Thibault <sthibault@debian.org> wrote:
D.J.J. Ring, Jr., le mer. 29 déc. 2021 21:56:55 -0500, a ecrit:
> Also with Slint, arguably the most accessible of them all, you have the choice
> of various screen readers in console:
>
> espeakup (Console screen reader connecting espeak-ng and speakup)
> fenrir (Modular, flexible and fast console screen reader)
> speechd-up (Console screen reader connecting Speech Dispatcher and speakup)

You also have the same choice on other distributions such as Debian.

Please don't fall in a distro war, we don't need that.

Samuel