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Re: speakup in Debian kernel and installer



Hi. Forgot, you set the default language for espeakup by editing /etc/default/espeakup.
Before espeakup, software speech was handled by speech-dispatcher and an app called speechd-up.  The speech-dispatcher developers are hostile to speakup
use so speechd-up is no longer maintained.  In it's current state, speech-dispatcher no longer works system wide.
At least, I can't get the current release to run system wide or even as a user.  Fortunately, Debian still shipps gnome-speech so
I can still use orca.  If you are running the Lenny speech-dispatcher package, you still can
run speech-dispatcher system wide.  It is only broken starting with version 0.7.

Running speech-dispatcher system wide  along with speechd-up is needed to use software speech with speakup and speech-dispatcher.
There is a speech-dispatcher output module for voxin.  In the distant past, someone wrote a direct connector that would let you run
speakup with voxin without needing speech-dispatcher, but it isn't maintained and I don't even know where you could find the source.
You might ask the voxin folks about it.
Because gnome-speech is very gnome specific, no one has even tried to use it for anything outside of Gnome.

          Kenny

On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 06:41:43PM +0200, Jean-Philippe MENGUAL wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I had not really understood module was built directly in the kernel. I
> have it :) Very very cool Debian.
> 
> I'll load it. I'll try espeakup but I'd like to try voxin too: I read
> that was linked to speech-dispatcher, don't understand the relationship
> between speech-dispatcher and speakup. Is there a tuto to explain
> installing voxin to work with speakup? If I could use only gnome-speech
> it'd be still better. If I need speech-dispatcher, how can I invoke it
> for speakup?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> 
> Jean-Philippe MENGUAL
> 
> 
> Le mardi 24 août 2010 à 10:38 -0500, Kenny Hitt a écrit :
> > Hi.  No, you would add speakup_soft to /etc/modules
> > You will need to install the espeakup package as well.
> > This will cause the system to boot up with software speech.  You will need to press keypad enter
> > when speech starts if your system boots to a gdm login.  If you don't, you will end up with a lot of speech output you might not want to hear.
> > 
> > On my Sid/Squeeze box, the speakup modules are in
> > /lib/modules/2.6.32-5-686/kernel/drivers/staging/speakup
> > If your backported kernel doesn't have them, you could probably build them by installing the speakup-source package from Squeeze.
> > 
> > One advantage to speakup for me is cost.  A hardware synth costs 1/10 the price of a braille display.
> > Speakup will work fine along with brltty as long as the hardware is on different ports.
> > 
> >           Kenny
> > 
> > On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 03:48:38PM +0200, Jean-Philippe MENGUAL wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > Thanks for these very good explanations which help me understand better
> > > things, as reading user guide online didn't help me about this. In my
> > > case, as for many users I think, I don't have any hardware synthetiser.
> > > So I have to use a soft solution. Not too problematic if it starts after
> > > cfdisk. So 3 questions:
> > > 1. Does it mean I've to do espeak.synth=name of the soft (or soft is an
> > > option)? e.g. speakup.synth=espeak? If yes, how can I configure this on
> > > a Debian (on line "kernel" in menu.lst (grub 0.97)? 
> > > 2. You said that espeak is supported. What about other soft such as
> > > voxin (viavoice)? What soft synthetisers supported currently?
> > > 3. What are kernel modules for (if I use soft solution)? Do I need? I
> > > read that only modules for linux 2.6.26 are available (aptitude search
> > > on lenny, squeeze and sid). I use a 2.6.32 backported kernel. What about
> > > compatibility?
> > > 
> > > Thanks for these answers. I really hope to understand and test because
> > > I'm sure it can be an alternate for emacspeak or emacs-el I don't like
> > > very much,, not suitable for any user I think. Besides very useful as
> > > you say to debug gnome crashes... (I do this in braille, but a
> > > synthetiser solution is good for others).
> > > 
> > > Regards,
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Jean-Philippe MENGUAL
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Le mardi 24 août 2010 à 08:05 -0500, Kenny Hitt a écrit :
> > > > Hi.  The idea is to get access to the system as early as possible during boot.
> > > > To do this, speakup is a set of kernel modules.  Since software speech is a recent addition, and speakup is active before audio has
> > > > been configured, most users use a hardware synth for early access.  In this context, drivers are the modules that support a specific hardware synth.
> > > > Currently, my system boots with speakup using an Accent SA attached to com1.  This allows me to have access to the fsck process if it runs.
> > > > If I chose to use the software synth driver and espeakup instead, I wouldn't get access to the system until after the fsck.
> > > > 
> > > > I believe the Squeeze installer will have support for software speech, but haven't seen any recent updates on the status.
> > > > Because I own a hardware synth, speakup has allowed me to install Debian independently since I first started using Linux.
> > > > It also allows me to debug Gnome crashes as long as I can attach to the process from a text console.
> > > > 
> > > >           Kenny
> > > > 
> > > > On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 12:52:27PM +0200, Jean-Philippe MENGUAL wrote:
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > > 
> > > > > I will look at this website again. Last time I had started fastly then
> > > > > let the questions, because I had not understood the global idea. The
> > > > > explanations confused me, especially about drivers. But I could try
> > > > > again (with a bit more time). That's why waiting for finding more
> > > > > understandable info for me, I asked how happent a test as someone tried.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Jean-Philippe MENGUAL
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Le mardi 24 août 2010 à 04:47 -0500, Kenny Hitt a écrit :
> > > > > > Hi.  Have you visited linux-speakup.org?  That is the official web site for speakup.
> > > > > > Most of your questions should be answered there.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >           Kenny
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 04:08:24AM +0200, Jean-Philippe MENGUAL wrote:
> > > > > > > Hi Sam,
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > As you know I attend to promote linux as accessibility tool. That's why
> > > > > > > I try some solutions, even these I don't use myself daily (speech in
> > > > > > > particular). That's also why I tried gnome-orca 2.30 even if I had to
> > > > > > > install testing package on my stable (Gnome 2.22) and I suspect it
> > > > > > > causes issues.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > I've wanted to test speakup for a long time but never understood how it
> > > > > > > works. As you tested, can you explain to me what has to be entered.
> > > > > > > speakup is included, for example, in LFS livecd and Debian, seems the
> > > > > > > only solution in such contexts. I heard of drivers... but what drivers?
> > > > > > > How can I know those supported? Is there a relationship with kernel as I
> > > > > > > see in this treead (LFS livecd has an older kernel (2008))?
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Actually, do you have a tutorial about this point to know what I've to
> > > > > > > enter, what are available drivers, what's the role of the kernel's
> > > > > > > release.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Jean-Philippe MENGUAL
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Le mardi 24 août 2010 à 03:11 +0200, Samuel Thibault a écrit :
> > > > > > > > Hello,
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Ben Hutchings, le Tue 24 Aug 2010 00:35:03 +0100, a écrit :
> > > > > > > > > [Please include debian-kernel or me in replies; I'm not subscribed to
> > > > > > > > > -accessibility.]
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > I haven't seen any bug reports regarding speakup drivers included in the
> > > > > > > > > Linux 2.6.32 kernel packages or testing versions of the installer.
> > > > > > > > > However I haven't seen any positive reports either.  Are they working
> > > > > > > > > properly?
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > I've tried the daily build yesterday, and it worked just fine.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Samuel
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