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Re: [buildd] Etch?

On Fri, Aug 04, 2006 at 06:59:44PM +1000, Finn Thain wrote:
> On Fri, 4 Aug 2006, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
> > On Fri, 4 Aug 2006, Finn Thain wrote:
> > > On Fri, 4 Aug 2006, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > Since most of the problems are caused by compiler issues, what 
> > > > guarantees that a 
> > > > release-without-packages-that-caused-obvious-problems doesn't 
> > > > contain non-obvious problems caused by those same compiler issues?
> > > 
> > > Was there ever a release with no bugs? No known bugs?
> > 
> > Of course not.
> > 
> > But an unreliable toolchain is a guarantee for more bugs.
> I think I see what you meant: we might still meet the release criteria for 
> etch while there are still packages unbuilt due to toolchain bugs. Now 
> that _would_ be a problem for Gentoo ;-)
> Anyway, I admire Wouter's ambition and high standards -- that's what makes 
> Debian what it is.
> As I said earlier in the thread I don't see much difference between 
> releasing and not releasing...

The main difference is that we want to accomodate for people who do want
to try or use Debian/m68k, but who do not want to have to deal with the
ever-changing Debian Unstable, or who do not want to have to run
'while true;do apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; done' all the time.

This would probably include machines in the debian.org domain.

Additionally, there's the fact of not having to support a separate
out-of-tree release of Etch. If we have too many bugs by the time etch
freezes and the window for fixing bugs is over, then we would have to
maintain separate versions of the toolchain packages outside of the
'normal' Debian infrastructure, which would have our bugs fixed. This
could turn out being a rather large burden, which would not be
necessary if we could fix all the bugs in time.

> but I'm only an interested observer, and I'm probably missing
> something. Assuming no toolchain problems, I'm wondering what is real
> the benefit to releasing Etch on time?

Assuming no toolchain problems, we *will* release Etch on time. But
there are toolchain problems, and I don't think we will be able to fix
them in time.

Fun will now commence
  -- Seven Of Nine, "Ashes to Ashes", stardate 53679.4

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