Re: Installing Woody on a Mac IIci without floppy and Mac Os possible?
Moin,
On Tue, Oct 12, 2004 at 11:18:40PM +0200, ma_pri_2004 wrote:
>
> The Goal: to install debian woody on a mac IIci
> - without a floppy (it´s broken, so no boot floppies can be used)
> - with a blank hard disc (no mac os)
> - with a graphic card (with vga adapter) which might or might not work
> with linux. I don´t have a mac monitor and the onboard graphic card
> shows no picture on my pc monitor when using the vga adapter there, but
> the graphic card gives a picture.
> - with a nic that should work with woody
I don't know about the maxiici, but, with little differences, I did this
with my Q840AV. I never had a mac before that, so I needed several tries.
I wanted to document this a little on this page, but so far I only have the
success messages:
http://people.debian.org/~cts/Q840AV/
> If it is not necessary I don´t want to install mac os (as done in
> http://mfdh.ca/apple/debian_on_oldworld_mac.html).
That's for powerpc, I don't think that will help you much. AFAIK for m68k
macs, you need MacOS. There where some rumors a couple of months ago about a
sf(?) project where you did not need MacOS, but I don't remember to many
success stories about that.
> I have two SCSI-I-CD-ROMs here, but if I understand right, the IIci can
> not boot from a CD-ROM. Is this correct (Want to know this before
> getting the woody cds, because I have only ISDN here)?
Even if it can boot from CD-Rom, it wont help you much, since the Debian CDs
do not contain MacOS. I did not get a Mac CD-Rom with my Mac, and I could
not make it read from a non-Mac SCSI CD-Rom drive... but I do have a working
floppy drive, and I used it quite a bit until I got everything installed.
> My idea is using another computer to access the mac hard disc and make
> it for the mac bootable. It seems to me that mac-fdisk and pmac-fdisk
> could do this, but these are not available on my pc running i368 woody
> and windows. Are there alternatives?
I downloaded the free MacOS (7.5.3 with upgrades to 7.5.5 IIRC) from apple.
I also downloaded one floppy which contains a minimal MacOS (6.x?). Somehow
I managed to create bootable floppies with this (probably from the MacOS
that was still on the huge 400MB Mac harddisk that came with it). Since I
wanted a slightly larger disk, I had to put a patched Mac partitioning tool
on that floppy, this link came up somewhere:
http://www.euronet.nl/users/ernstoud/patch.html
I guess with this I formatted the large harddisk (for some reason the Mac
only runs stable with one disk connected, so I had to boot from floppy to
format the big disk). Then I copied the 15 or 100 parts of MacOS 7.5 onto
the new disk, and started the installation. Or maybe not... MacOS has the
habbit of trashing its system disk, so it does not boot from harddisk
anymore. For this you want to keep a bootable floppy around, which will more
or less automagically fix your harddisk when you boot from floppy. I think I
got tired of this and just hooked up the SCSI disk to my PC, ran Basilisk
there, partitioned the disk. I definetely copied the MacOS install disks via
the emulator, since that was a lot faster than using floppies. Anyhow, after
I got the disk partioned and MacOS installed, I booted the woody installer
from a handful of debian files that I also copied to the mac partition.
Everything after that was a piece of cake, small problem with making the NIC
go, but then I just downloaded additional stuff from the net, and the Mac is
happily running Debian ever after...
> Is it possible by formatting the disc using hfs file system and putting
> a bootable debian or mac os on it? If yes, how?
>
> In Debian Manual is written (A.2.4. Booting from hard disk)
> "It's possible to boot the installer using no removable media, but just
> an existing hard disk, which can have a different OS on it. Download
> hd-media/initrd.gz, hd-media/vmlinuz, and a Debian CD image to the
> top-level directory of the hard disk. Make sure that the CD image has a
> filename ending in ".iso". Now it's just a matter of booting linux with
> the initrd."
> Being a linux novice, I don´t know Where to download hd-media/initrd.gz
> and hd-media/vmlinuz. Is here Mac Os necessary? Is there somebody who
> could describe or outline this?
This sounds like the sarge installer, and not like the woody installer? It
would be good if you tested the sarge installer, it is so much nicer. But I
haven't tested it on a Mac yet...
If you want to try sarge, please use Stephen's daily builds, I assume they
are more up to date than the cdimage, or at least identical.
http://lists.debian.org/debian-68k/2004/03/msg00009.html
http://people.debian.org/~smarenka/d-i/images-m68k/daily/
Hmm, things have changed a little bit since I last tried it. I used nativehd
where you copy a hand full of files to your MacOS partition, like in woody.
Maybe you have to get a cdimage and grab files from there. I do not see
Penguin or a mac kernel, a mac boot/root disk on Stephen's site...
But I guess you wil be busy for a while to get MacOS running. If you finish
that faster than Penguin appearing in the sarge installer, get the woody
macinstall.tar.gz, unpack it on your mac partition, and start the Penguin
from there.
Christian
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