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Re: Help

On 03/07/2001 - 02:43, Russell Hires wrote:

> I think we should go back to posting to the mac68k list...
> The doc you pointed out is, in fact, old! The potato version is the one I
> gave you the link to. You can get nubus ethernet cards for your LC.
> Unfortunately, nubus ethernet is not supported at all. Even if you could get
> one (the school where I volunteer has tons of them), you wouldn't be able to
> do anything with it, unless you are kernel hacker and want to make it work.
> :-) We need hackers/developers desparately. 
> The whole net connection thing is a big assumption on our part, since Linux
> is a net phenomenon. I believe you can buy Debian CD's from cheepbytes.com
> at http://cart.cheapbytes.com/cgi-bin/cart/0070010607?Mg7yTjyC;;87
> Of course, a CD means CD Player of some kind, which you can probably get
> used from ebay. (Sure is a lot of money going into this "free" software
> thing!) 
> Hope this helps
> Russell
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> >From: Russel Ingram <ringram@gargoylecc.com>
> >To: <rhires@earthlink.net>, <mark@scovin.demon.co.uk>, <compdata@nb.net>
> >Subject: Re: Help
> >Date: Tue, Mar 6, 2001, 11:51
> >
> >Thank you all for replying so quickly.  Since I have help offerings from 3
> >of you I thought I would just respond with one email to all (kind of with
> >the thinking that if 2 heads are better than one ...).  So here are the
> >other messages and with them my responses:
> >
> >Russel Hires wrote:
> >
> >> Hmmm...well, you don't actually have to "know" anything about macs to
> >> get them to run linux. It is very important that you read the install
> >> doc all the way through before you do anything. I'm guessing you did
> >> that, sort of, by skimming. Which did you read? There are two
> >> different versions, currently, one of which I've worked on, here:
> >> http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=934&group_id=11666
> >> You said it's out of date, please let me know which part(s) so I can
> >> make any corrections. Go back and read the (other?) install doc very
> >> carefully. I'll wait till you're done.
> >>
> >> Okay...:-) The problem with .bin and .hqx files is that normally,
> >> these file extensions refer to a compression format of one kind of
> >> another, just like .zip does. Unfortunately, it is also used for the
> >> binary disk images you need to get linux up and running on a mac.
> >> There is no "lilo" for any macintosh, really, so the folks at one of
> >> the BSDs wrote a boot loader, which has been adapted by the m68k-linux
> >> folks for use by us. Its name is the Penguin Boot Loader, or some
> >> variation. (I don't think it has an official name, but you get the
> >> idea) You have to uncompress the Penguin.hqx using Stuffit Expander or
> >> other utility. If you have Penguin.bin, I'm puzzled by that, but
> >> Stuffit Expander should get you out of that format as well, and then
> >> the MacOS will recognize Penguin as executable.
> >>
> >> root.bin, rescue.bin, and a few others need to stay in binary format to
> >> work.
> >
> >First, the installation guide I am working off of came from the linux-m68k
> >web site at http://www.linux-m68k.org/debian-mac.html.  It is mostly just
> >the version information and file paths that are out of date.  The whole
> >doc refers to the 2.1 (slink I believe) debian release instead of the
> >current 2.2 (potato) release.  That's not a big deal since mostly just the
> >version numbers and a couple of the directory names have changed.
> >
> >Next, I have come to understand quite a bit more about Macintosh
> >compression formats since I started on this and I do know which files are
> >disk images that would normally be written to a floppy for booting the
> >machine (if macs understood dos bootable disks).  I guess my biggest
> >problem is that everything in the docs assumes that I have or can get some
> >kind of network connection and have either Netscape (which is supposed to
> >decompress/decode these files when it downloads them) or Stuffit Expander
> >on my Mac.  Neither of these are true for me.  I have a very bare system
> >-- just the system folder with the disk tools.  I'm not sure I could even
> >get a network card for this Mac because of the way the nubus slot is in
> >it.  It is a Mac LCII and has a single nubus slot (yes its open waiting
> >for me to put something in it), but the case isn't tall enough for a
> >normal nubus card.  This being so, I have to download everything to my
> >Linux PC, unpack it there and transfer it with floppy.  I have unstuff
> >from aladdin for linux as well as the macutils package from redhat (I
> >don't know who actually wrote it, I just installed it from an rpm).  The
> >Penguin-18 and Penguin-Color files I mentioned in my original message
> >were originally hqx files so I used hexbin (part of macutils) to decode
> >them and it put .bin extensions on the decoded files.
> >
> >Mark Scott wrote:
> >
> >> Russel
> >>
> >> I will help you if I can.  Sorry the install guide didn't work for you
> >> but getting debian working on a m68k mac can be a little trying !
> >> First some information
> >>
> >> What size is the hard drive you are trying to install debian on?
> >> What size is the partition you wish to use?
> >> You will need a decoder to uncompress the files with .hqx extensions.
> >> The most commonly used is Expander by Alladin do you have this ?
> >> Exactly which files have you downloaded ?
> >> What is your harware configuration ?
> >> Which software did you use to partition your harddrive ?
> >
> >The drive I am trying to install on is 80M.  I know this is probably too
> >small for a really functional system (I have a larger one on the way).  I
> >was just hoping, at this point, to make sure that the kernel would boot on
> >this machine.
> >
> >As per the docs mentioned above, I have cut the disk such that there is a
> >20M partition for swap and a 50M partition for /.  The rest is a Mac
> >partion.
> >
> >I mentioned the compression and decoder software I am using above.  Again,
> >I don't have any of it on the mac itself since stuffit is too large to
> >move via 1.4M floppy and I have no network(on the Mac).
> >
> >I have downloaded base2_2.tgz and macinstall.tgz (to my PC) in hopes that
> >if I could extract them on the PC I could move them to the Mac bit by bit.
> >
> >The Mac hardware configuration is as follows: Macintosh LC II (I believe
> >its an m68030 processor) w/ 80M hardrive and 4M memory(not enough, I know,
> >I have a 16M simm on the way)
> >
> >I used Apple's HD SC Setup utility for partitioning.
> >
> >Henry Garcia wrote:
> >
> >> Look for the macinstall.tgz and the base2_2.tgz files. These are the
> >> only two files you need. You should download Stuffit 5.5 from
> >> www.aladdinsys.com.  It's in their old archive section under mac.
> >> Install Stuffit and drag the macinstall.tgz file on top of Stuffit
> >> Icon to decompress this file. Some files are still compressed:
> >> Penguin.hqx etc. and will have to be decompressed again.
> >>
> >> If you use the files off the Debian CD, you'll have the 2.0.36 kernel
> >> which nowhere near approaches the speed of the newer kernel on
> >> Steigies website.
> >
> >I think I've probably already covered all of this in the previous
> >responses.  Let me know if I missed something.
> >
> >Thanx again for your help, guys
> >Russ
> >
> >-- 
> >---------------------------------------------------------------
> >"Bill Gates and Microsoft have ruined the computer industry for
> > a long time to come by creating a class of ignorant and lazy
> > computer users."  --Russel Ingram
> >
> >"Mommy ... can I go out and ... KILL TONIGHT!?"
> >                   --Glen  Danzig, The Misfits
> >---------------------------------------------------------------
> >Russ Ingram
> >Gargoyle Computer Consulting
> >(307)742-1361
> >www.gargoylecc.com
> >
> >
> >
Same goes for the CD.  As you mentioned I would have to have a CD player to attach or at least a connector that would go from Macintoshes idea of an external scsi port to an old style 50 pin D connector from an old Irix or Sun box.  Probably not a viable option on my budget at the moment.  I have spent my morning this morning surfing the ftphqx.info.apple.com site, though.  I didn't reallize that sea.bin and smi.bin files don't require extra software to extract/mount them.  I have the sea.bin file with the AppleShare client software on it and I do have another Mac with ethernet/TCP access to the internet (a Powerbook Duo in a dock), so maybe I can work something out between the two of them and the net.  One question about Mac disk formats, though.  Do I have to have a special disk to write an 800k disk image to or will it write to a 1.44M floppy?  Most of the stuff on the ftphqx site say they extract into 800k disk images and all I have are 1.44M floppies.

Thanx again,

Russ Ingram
Gargoyle Computer Consulting

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