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[Debconf-team] thank you and thanks for all the fish



Hi,

so ten days ago I've said these somewhat sad words on IRC, in private: 

[23:07] <      h01ger> | i think i'm just fed up with debconf
[23:07] <      h01ger> | i've been doing this for too long to be able to enjoy 
having the same old arguments yet again
[23:08] <      h01ger> | yesterday i was thinking i want to become a "debconf 
wizard" (like the release team has wizards), now i think i just want to quit 
and not be involved at all anymore. (i will continue with videoteam, at least 
for the time being. and as such also with debconf-admin, but thats really it 
and no day to day admin stuff except whats needed for video)
[23:09] <      h01ger> | i will sleep over it but i doubt i will change my 
mind
[23:10] <      h01ger> | i've had the wizard idea some months ago already and 
forgot and was quite happy i remembered yesterday, as it seemed like a 
painless way out. 
[23:10] <      h01ger> | but now i just think i want to get out. fast and 
completly. i'm tired of arguing the same "crap" over and over again, 
[23:11] <      h01ger> | and then also get crap for that
[23:11] <      h01ger> | i do have better and more fun things to do. i hope :)

So I have slept over this for several nights and all I can say for sure is 
that by now I'm really looking forward to not being involved in organizing 
DebConf(s) for some time, maybe forever. Also, I have been pondering this more 
than once or twice in the last 2y, so this is not a rushed decision by me. 

(Still, seems I didnt want to finish+send this mail so I procastrinated all 
day and now I'm quite tired and this mail is too long and not as coherent as I 
would like it to be. Apologies for this.)

And I'm still not 100% sure if I'd really want to take a break now, or just a 
sabatical (til after dc14? til after dc15?) or if I really just want to quit 
and not be involved anymore. So let's say I quit now and maybe I will come 
back one day. I've been involved in organising since DebConf5 and these we 
were very very great times and I do look forward at having great DebConfs in 
future. Just, at least for now, rather as a regular attendee (and videoteam 
volunteer. At least for now, I don't plan on quitting debconf-video. It's 
simply too much fun! :)

Unsurprisingly I will also stay around, so feel free to ask me anything 
anytime, ignoring requests is usually rather easy ;) Also I won't guarantee I 
will be able to *not* do anything at+during DebConfs itself (as opposed to 
those other 50 weeks a year), but I will try ;-p

My main reason is stimply that I'm tired of the headless circus debconf-team 
has become and that I want to spent (way) less time (co-)organizing something 
which is largely self organized and chaotic, and where organizers spent 
countless hours chatting and planning things many of them have never done  
like this before, which then leads to repeative + long + "contemporary" 
discussions, of which *I* had too many by now...  I've discussed too many 
times too many good and not so good plans how to improve things and how to 
document what, and yet we have done too little, esp. with the flood of 
new+eager new people we thankfully have every year. 

IMHO there haven't been many/enough experienced people in the team who are 
_constantly_ supportive / reacting properly, thus those who are (or try) 
cannot keep up doing so, then get tired and then (again and again) fail to 
document things properly and thus also fail to get more/enough people with 
long term involvement. (Also documenting alone doesnt help, if the structures 
etc aint formally clear and/or are are sometimes informal...)

Despite all of this: each year *at* DebConf we do work very well together to 
make it happen. Again and again.

I'm sorry we as chairs (also) failed at fixing this mess and I'm still proud 
of the things we achieved when I was part of debconf-team, however that was 
defined. 

I'm not really sure what exactly has happened so that DebConf suddenly feels  
as a headless circus, even though it has worked on informal rules for many 
years very well - and I am definitly not interested in pointing fingers, I 
just would like to understand why, so that maybe we can improve for next 
years.

Some of what I think is important to be fixed/changed I've said at 
http://penta.debconf.org/dc13_schedule/events/1089.en.html - I'm really sorry 
that I've lost the energy - at least for now - to discuss and implement the 
changes I would like to see! (I'm really unhappy not being able to finish this 
properly, but it doesn't help - neither me nor DebConf - if cannot let it go 
and yet am unable to hold+handle it at the same time... So: /me waves.)

And then, I've also learned here that many organisational matters (about 
DebConf) don't matter as much as we organizer think they do: as long as 
awesome people come together, awesome things will happen. A nice environment 
will help, but if it's not given / needs improvements, awesome people will 
improve things. And in the end, things will just be fine. We also *do* have 
more experience with that then 10y ago - even though DebConf orga lacks some 
things.

As I see it DebConf has become a big contributor in changing communication and 
working together in Debian for the better, especially when compared with 
10-15y ago. And by now we (collectivly!) also do know a lot more about 
organizing DebConfs, even though it's not as well documented as it could be 
and even though there are still many other things to be improved about 
DebConfs too. To put it positivly: DebConf and Debian still have many good 
opportunities to grow and you are invited to make it real ;-) 

So, thank you for making DebConfs happen and fun! Many thanks for making 
Debian happen and fun too! :-) Without DebConfs I wouldn't be a DD today.


cheers,
	Holger

P.S.: I will still reply to those replies about my suggestion to create two 
more debconf projects on alioth, as I still think it's really important to 
care about private data of our attendees, even and especially years after 
DebConfs. 

P.P.S.: please *do* cc: me, i'm unsubscribing from debconf-team now.

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