Re: [Debconf-team] Decisions about Le Camp
I propose a A2 option: We tell LeCamp: we are committed to come in LeCamp, but now we don't have enough money. We (local team) are pretty sure that we will have enough money for the two weeks, but *now* we can only book for 7 or 10 days (not to have financial troubles or giving you financial troubles).
PS. I'm away, so no meeting for me tonight.
Ciao. Cate
Didier 'OdyX' Raboud <odyx@debian.org> wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>thanks Gaundenz for this concise and clear mail that summarizes my
>feelings
>quite well.
>
>Le jeudi, 22 novembre 2012 12.04:52, Gaudenz Steinlin a écrit :
>> IMO the most important topic for tonights meeting is the decision
>about
>> how to proceed with Le Camp. We promised them to have a decision by
>the
>> end of November. So to be fair and keep that promise we have to
>decide
>> now.
>
>Yes, absolutely. Either way. Postponing the decision with regards to Le
>Camp
>means deciding against Le Camp as far as (I understand) our discussion
>with
>their director go. So we should rather take that "no" decision than
>postponing.
>
>> C) We decide to drop Le Camp and to find another venue. While this
>> avoids the costs of Le Camp this has considerable other costs. I
>> think there is agreement among the locals that more than 10%
>cheaper
>> is just not possible. But we will also loose a lot of motivation.
>> Unless we find something very similar to Le Camp, this won't be
>the
>> DebConf we presented in our bid. (...)
>
>This is a quite important argument IMHO.
>
>This has been challenged before by some saying that the locals of the
>team
>could just organize another DebConf, around Switzerland (and not
>necessarily
>in LeCamp, but that's tengential to the point).
>
>While this might eventually be true, what I can say is that it isn't
>for me:
>I'm motivated by the organisation of DebConf13 in LeCamp (or in a
>LeCamp-ish
>location) because that's what we opted for as a group and what we
>proudly
>presented as our option during the bid process. Organizing a different
>DebConf
>was an full part of our project. That said, I'm also a volunteer and I
>can't
>(and won't) garantee to stay motivated (or involved fwiw) if we decide
>to go
>another way. That's not to put pressure on the decision process, but I
>feel
>it's important to be conscious of the downsides of going the C) way.
>
>> In our opinion we have to take a decision now and should absolutely
>not
>> postpone. If no decision is taken, I will take a vacation from
>Debconf
>> organisation until at least the end of this year. The emotional
>stress
>> of the current situation is just too much for me and I think that I
>> better spend my time on other things in this case. While I have a
>> preference for one option, I can live with any decision as long as
>there
>> is a decision now.
>
>Absolutely; and I am leaning to do mostly the same.
>
>This indecision doesn't help to move this (our) project forward and
>eats a lot
>of (my) energy by itself; we have to get out of it, as soon as
>possible.
>
>> Conclusion: My preference is A over B over C.
>
>+ 1.
>
>Cheers,
>
>OdyX
>
>
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