Re: [Debconf-team] DC13 Venue constraints
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 06:55:47PM -0400, Richard Darst wrote:
> Hi,
>
> It would take too long to find the right message(s) to reply to, so
> I'll put this here.
>
> On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 05:18:47PM +0200, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote:
>
> > (1) The venue only has 325 beds. Several people fear that this might not
> > be enough. Actual data of arrived people in penta shows that the
> > only DebConf with over 325 people present on the same day was DC 7
> > in Edinburgh. DC 11 just scratched the limit of Le Camp [1].
> >
> > (2) Alternative accomodation for people to arrange their own
> > accomodation is too far away. Realistically you need a car to get
> > there.
>
> I remember for DC10, at first some localteam people wanted to reserve
> 400 rooms because it would be huge and DC7 had 400 people. But I
> looked at the detailed breakdown and it wasn't so big actually, even
> though 391 people had "arrived" according to penta, the day with the
> most people (according to penta) had only around 250 people. (I
> think) I eventually convinced people to reserve only 300, and we still
> had less than 200 used any given day.
>
> I just went and found that old script (I would have had it in my
> standard dumps, but the God table I join with only exists for the
> current debconf so I didn't extend to old years).
>
> Here's the data:
> http://rkd.zgib.net/http/debconf/historical-room-statistics.txt
There is an update. I realized the previous numbers only included
people who had both an arrival and departure date. For peolpe in
accom, that's probably pretty accurate, but for other people, they may
not have dates.
There are now these extra numbers at the top of each conf:
110 missing dates
0 missing dates attending debcamp
1 missing dates wanting rooms
0 missing dates attending debcamp wanting rooms
(two of those lines were there before, but didn't work).
So, for this conference (dc7), it's possible that up to 111 extra
people could have been there on any given day. But of course, it's
unlikely all of these people attended every day.
So, if you add the people without dates, max people per day much
better approximates number total attendees. So if you assume that
everyone without dates was there on the peak days, this may cancel out
some of what I had said previously. Of course, I bet most of those
people actually weren't there every day. However, everything in that
table *is* limited to arrived=true people, so...
summary: there may be more people than I thought, but remoteness from
cities is still a significant factor. I'm not entirely sure that 325
beds is the most important limit.
(The scripts at debconf-data.alioth.debian.org are more modern
versions and handled cases like this). Sometimes I wish I could go to
a debconf just to get accurate data about attendees, food, rooms,
money, just to help us for future years.
- Richard
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