Re: [Debconf-team] [Debconf-discuss] Is arriving Friday 22nd ok?
Ah Gunnar Gunnar, sometimes your voice is the voice of reason and sanity :)
> Government can absorb the financial costs, maybe it does not really
> matter to us. But we cannot -organizationally- receive people arriving
> at arbitrary dates. We are organizing a conference, that has been run
> a certain way for many years, and and even if it does not make too
> much sense given we don't have to worry too much about money
> _this_time_, we cannot bend the process too badly - as we want people
> not to assume the same next years. We should keep DebConf what it has
> been, as it's the only thing we are able to sustain.
>
> The organizational cost should be obvious by now: The fact that we are
> arguing about what should be minor shows there is a nontrivial
> impedance, that we are failing to communicate. And we really need good
> communication.
>
> Adnan, I know the stress that can put in you trying to make your
> country shine, and trying to get us Debianers to love it. Really, I
> was in a very very similar position, and I also took many decisions on
> my own when we held DC6 in Mexico, because I felt I could judge
> situations and I could control things and all. And, I must keep
> recognizing, even though in the end the conference was quite
> successful, due to overconfidence we were very close to not having a
> conference at all! Please try to trust a bit more our gray
> beards... They have a reason to be gray after all :)
Okay :)
>> Mark my words and this is not the point, I never promised candy, but
>> what if I get free beer?
>
> There Is No Such Thing As Free Beer.
I know I was trying to say something else, meh completely out of
context, please disregard this one.
>> What I suggest to you, and generally global team is to get your hands
>> dirty instead of just criticizing stuff *we* do. I'm tired of doing
>> things done, and you guys criticizing it.
>>
>> Do whatever you want, I'm out of this topic.
>
> I do not feel there has been contradiction in this point. We have
> repeatedly asked you _not_ to offer things beyond what we agree as a
> _whole_ team. We have never had the strange local/global split we are
> having this year. We need to act as _a_single_ team. Decisions should
> be consulted and kept, even if some of us don't agree - And if you
> want to make registrations completely open, or you want to give Free
> Stuff™, or whatever... Please! We have to make it a joint
> decision. It's not just about DebConf 11 in Bosnia, which will rock
> and be great, but at keeping DebConf organizable for the future.
I couldn't agree more, and there shouldn't bee any difference, one
team, one goal. In general I hate to see when stuff divide especially
without any apparent reason.
But yes, I know what you wanted to say and I'll keep to stay in
accordance with what is agreed.
Thank you for your wise words Gunnar,
Adnan
On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 5:44 PM, Gunnar Wolf <gwolf@gwolf.org> wrote:
> Adnan Hodzic dijo [Mon, May 02, 2011 at 04:44:04PM +0200]:
>> >> I said this before, and I'm saying it again, we *have* to be flexible
>> >> with hotel dates,
>> >
>> > sorry, but this is *bullshit*.
>> >
>> > as the government will pay "everything", we probably *can* be flexible.
>>
>> Which they are, so in last two lines you're apparently contradicting yourself?
>
> Government can absorb the financial costs, maybe it does not really
> matter to us. But we cannot -organizationally- receive people arriving
> at arbitrary dates. We are organizing a conference, that has been run
> a certain way for many years, and and even if it does not make too
> much sense given we don't have to worry too much about money
> _this_time_, we cannot bend the process too badly - as we want people
> not to assume the same next years. We should keep DebConf what it has
> been, as it's the only thing we are able to sustain.
>
> The organizational cost should be obvious by now: The fact that we are
> arguing about what should be minor shows there is a nontrivial
> impedance, that we are failing to communicate. And we really need good
> communication.
>
> Adnan, I know the stress that can put in you trying to make your
> country shine, and trying to get us Debianers to love it. Really, I
> was in a very very similar position, and I also took many decisions on
> my own when we held DC6 in Mexico, because I felt I could judge
> situations and I could control things and all. And, I must keep
> recognizing, even though in the end the conference was quite
> successful, due to overconfidence we were very close to not having a
> conference at all! Please try to trust a bit more our gray
> beards... They have a reason to be gray after all :)
>
>> >> We have to come up with solution for this stuff.
>> >
>> > no. there is no problem. we are organizing a conference, we offer *free stuff*
>> > for *certain developers* provided they register *on time*. we dont have to
>> > give out candy.
>>
>> Mark my words and this is not the point, I never promised candy, but
>> what if I get free beer?
>
> There Is No Such Thing As Free Beer.
>
>> What I suggest to you, and generally global team is to get your hands
>> dirty instead of just criticizing stuff *we* do. I'm tired of doing
>> things done, and you guys criticizing it.
>>
>> Do whatever you want, I'm out of this topic.
>
> I do not feel there has been contradiction in this point. We have
> repeatedly asked you _not_ to offer things beyond what we agree as a
> _whole_ team. We have never had the strange local/global split we are
> having this year. We need to act as _a_single_ team. Decisions should
> be consulted and kept, even if some of us don't agree - And if you
> want to make registrations completely open, or you want to give Free
> Stuff™, or whatever... Please! We have to make it a joint
> decision. It's not just about DebConf 11 in Bosnia, which will rock
> and be great, but at keeping DebConf organizable for the future.
>
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