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Re: ssh fails - SOLVED (was: Re: git pull fails with OpenSSL version mismatch error)



Bob Proulx wrote:
> Joel Roth wrote:
> > Bob Proulx wrote:
> > > Joel Roth wrote:
> > > > I usually just upgrade apps individually as I need to...
> > > 
> > > As in 'apt-get install openssh-client' ?  But that won't upgrade any
> > > of the dependencies.
> > 
> > I didn't know that. My first try was apt-get install ssh.
> 
> If the packages were not previously installed then of course the
> entire dependency tree is pulled in and installed in order to satisfy
> the dependencies.  And if a new version dependency appears such as
> bind9 for example which always depends upon specific versions of
> libraries then those new versions will be upgraded too.  But if there
> isn't a specific need by stated dependency to pull in a newer version
> then it won't be triggered for an install.
> 
> For example 'ssh' has:
> 
>   $ apt-cache show ssh | grep ^Depends:
>   Depends: openssh-client, openssh-server
> 
>   $ apt-cache show openssh-client | grep ^Depends:
>   Depends: libc6 (>= 2.11), libedit2 (>= 2.11-20080614-1), libgssapi-krb5-2 (>= 1.10+dfsg~), libselinux1 (>= 1.32), libssl1.0.0 (>= 1.0.1), zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4), debconf (>= 1.2.0) | debconf-2.0, adduser (>= 3.10), dpkg (>= 1.7.0), passwd
> 
> I will focus on this part of that collection:
>   ... libssl1.0.0 (>= 1.0.1) ...
> 
> At the time openssh-client was created and pushed out those were the
> minimum versions it required.  But then other libs such as libssl1.0.0
> will upgrade independently.  They will either need to move forward due
> to general needs such as compatibility.  Or it might have a security
> vulnerability.  It will be upgraded to a newer version number.
> 
> Meanwhile the ssh packaging will not have changed.  That program is
> only using the library.  It won't change in order to specify a new
> requirement until the next time it is rolled out for whatever reason.
> In the meantime it will be perfectly fine.  The dependency chain will
> be satified with the installed version.  Therefore running "install
> openssh-client" will also be satisified.
> 
> > Hmmm, and we don't have apt-get --update-dependencies install ssh,
> 
> Of course it would be possible to create such a thing for Debian's APT
> but the thinking is rather different.  Because if one thing needs to
> be upgraded then probably another thing needs to be upgraded too.  One
> could chase down a particular tree of dependencies only.  But why do
> that instead of more simply ensuring that everything is up to date.
> If one thing is up to date manually but another thing is not then that
> other thing is suffering and may be vulnerable to security problems or
> other breakage.  Better to make sure everything is up to date.
> 
> > I see that I'm 1,680 packages behind... 
> 
> Things do change rapidly in Unstable! :-)
> 
> > > On Sid/Unstable I upgrade daily with:
> > > 
> > >   # apt-get update
> > >   # apt-get upgrade
> > >   # apt-get dist-upgrade
> 
> I should have added at the end that I run "clean" to empty out the
> cache directory.  Otherwise the buildup of cached packages can consume
> all available disk space.

Not knowing that option, I had manually deleted them.
 
> > The resolution of more complicated dependency issues, has
> > improved a lot, in my subjective opinion.  Let's see how my
> > current upgrade goes....
> 
> There are some current problems. Bug#676485 for example.  But I am
> confident it will all be worked out before release.
> 
> > Some 1300 were packaged installed by 'upgrade' another 340
> > packages installed by 'dist-upgrade'.
 
> That is a good example of why 'upgrade' followed by 'dist-upgrade'
> reduces the problem space for the resolver to deal with.  Going from
> 1300 to 340 is a huge reduction in problem space size.  And for the
> human looking over the "remove" list. :-)

> > There were minor hiccups.  In both cases errors were reported, and
> > in both cases an extra apt-get install completed the process.
> 
> Sounds about normal.  If you had upgraded daily you would probably
> have seen those and a handful more but one at a time as they
> happened.  The difference is spending time dealing with it lumped
> versus amortized over the year.

What *is* biting me is that the new multiarch organization
won't allow me to (re)install skype, which is expecting ia32-libs and
ia32-libs-gtk.

> > Your descriptions of the upgrade procedure and how to 
> > review it and hold packages could be a useful reference 
> > for users of testing or unstable.
> 
> Where would we put it?
> 
> Also there is:
> 
>   http://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable#What_are_some_best_practices_for_testing.2BAC8-sid_users.3F

It would go with that subject matter, but your is text longer and more
explanatory, the next level of detail. Many non-experts
use unstable. They need to know.

    How do I keep my Sid-based system current?
    
    The best practice is to upgrade your system regularly, and
    deal with the occasional breakage that occurs.
    
    As (Bob Proulx | one expert ) describes it:
    
    On Sid/Unstable I upgrade daily with:
    
      # apt-get update
      # apt-get upgrade
      # apt-get dist-upgrade
    
    .... 
    In summary if running Sid/Unstable or Testing too then I think it is
    best to keep current and not let the parts get too old and stale.  It
    is just easier that way.  "In for a penny, in for a pound."

Regards,

Joel
    
-- 
Joel Roth


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