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Re: State of Konqueror - Was: Konqueror: webkit instead of khtml



Valerio Passini wrote:
So you should consider that you are lucky to find it in KDE4 and to have a browser able to get 85% score on acid 3 tests (more than firefox)

How many times a day do you visit the Acid 3 test? It's got little to do with everyday's life. (While I really *do* appreciate Konqueror's leadership here! And BTW I just got 87% with Konqueror 4.2.2)

Putting a program out in the public is not putting a program out for your particular purposes,

A web browser is for rendering web pages. If it is not properly capable of this key requirement it is of little use.

I mean, not for John Smith or Felix Homann or Valerio Passini in a specific way.

What do you use your browser for???

It's there to be used and developed, if you want you can use it and contribute to it.

I used to use Konqueror for web browsing purposes and contributed reporting bugs. The current Konqueror is more a development version in my eyes. Not a bad one for a development version but not usable as an every day browser. That's it. Nothing more, nothing less.

If you pick a statement in KDE website just to show: you are not where you promised to be (BTW to me it seems a very general statement);

Let me give another quote from http://konqueror.kde.org:

"Konqueror is an Open Source web browser with HTML 4.01 compliance, supporting Java applets, JavaScript, CSS 1, CSS 2.1, as well as Netscape plugins (for example, Flash or RealVideo plugins)."

From my experience, this is, well, some kind of euphemism: I could only get very few Java applets working, Konqueror chokes regularly on Javascript, Flash support has always been unreliable, and without regularly killing nspluginviewer processes Konqueror has (had?) a tendency to remarkably slow down your system.

> Is it a free Desktop Environment task to provide an
> Internet browser, an office suite, many multimedia players, developing
> tools? Mmm, no I don't think so.

I don't think so either.

Let's consider Koffice: it is an alternative to OpenOffice,

Well, actually I don't think so. Even my simple .odt files usually look strange when I open them with KOffice.

Or should it be abandoned since it has a bunch of users in comparison with OpenOffice?

IMHO it has less users because it is less mature and usable. Should it be abandoned? No, if it's fun for the developers they should go on! Maybe they find a killer feature some day, making me switch from OpenOffice.org to KOffice.

This kind of feedback is not prohibited, it will be simply missed by those whom you are claiming to be guilty.

Guilty of what??? What do I claim????

Kmail never stopped to work for me, am I more than the average user?

Most probably, your rather a little less ;-) The effect grows with the size of your mailboxes. KMail didn't stop working for me, either. *I* stopped working with KMail, because I couldn't fluently write emails anymore. While KMail was filtering my Emails the GUI would freeze. The larger your mailbox the longer the freezes would stay. When you have some thousands of emails in your mailboxes the effect gets so large that KMail (3.x) is actually not usable anymore. It has been coined KDE's "most hated bug" since it was reported first in April 2002 and was still there in at least the first KDE 4 releases when KMail didn't use Akonadi. See http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41514.


if you switch software as soon a problem spawns, you are going to bounce here and there in free software unless you do use a very stable and old release.

Wrong assumptions make for wrong conclusions: I don't switch software as soon as a problem spawns. On the contrary. I switch when the problems become the dominant "features" of the software. I'm very reluctant to drop an application in favor of another. That's why I haven't switched back to KMail again (although I really liked so many parts of it much better than Icedove!).

I understand your frustration in seeing that developers (and many distributions)
don't agree with you in marking KDE4.2.2 as an alpha stage software.

I'm not frustrated about that at all.

Try it again when it will be around 4.3.something.

I'm using KDE 4 versions since some early RC versions. Why should I go back.

This is not a report, it's an email of complaints

Nope, I'm not complaining. I'm not even saying "Please, make Konqueror a better browser" nothing like that.

on the wrong mailing list.

Now, *this* is true! No more mails from me on this topic, promised.

Kind regards,

Felix


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