| Alle Tuesday 28 April 2009, Felix Homann ha scritto: > Hi, > > Valerio Passini wrote: > > > > I think you are just missing the point that this is Open Source/Free > > Software and its development is not tied to any economical revenue. > > I don't think I'm missing anything here. > > > Developers implement and program following a common project layout and > > goal just for personal pleasure (that is) in most cases. > > Exactly, and I am happily helping some Free/OSS projects by sending > bugreports, feedback and patches (I even contributed a patch to the > Linux kernel itself). I do it for my personal pleasure. The more I like > the project the more effort do I put in helping the project. > > Right now, I could send a backtrace of a Konqueror crash almost every > hour. I don't have the time for that! You see, I'm not payed for it > either. (And mostly the crash is related to a bug already reported). > > > they generally ask two things as a contribution: feedback for bugs and > > patience. > > I've reported every single bug I came along in Konqueror unless it had > been reported before (chances are high, there are so many reports for > Konqueror). > > For patience, it depends on how severe the issue is. Let me give you an > example: Before 4.2.2 Konqueror crashed whenever you tried to move a > bookmark folder around in the bookmark editor. An annoying issue, but it > wouldn't stop me from using Konqueror as the default browser. If on the > other hand I can't visit my own homepage with Konqueror anymore it's not > a matter of patience, then I just *have* to use a different browser. Many people considered Konqueror's web browsing ability superfluous since there were a lot of programs providing this functionality. It was revamped by the developing its rendering engine has had by Apple. So you should consider that you are lucky to find it in KDE4 and to have a browser able to get 85% score on acid 3 tests (more than firefox) and BTW who said that a Desktop Environment should provide every program, thus having everything multiplied twice or trice (GNOME, XFCE, LXDE)? > developers put their program out in the public. Moreover, in the case of > KDE/Konqueror they even claim that it is "the most advanced and powerful > free desktop" (see www.kde.org). Putting a program out in the public is not putting a program out for your particular purposes, I mean, not for John Smith or Felix Homann or Valerio Passini in a specific way. It's there to be used and developed, if you want you can use it and contribute to it. Everyone is responsible for himself in Open Source. If you pick a statement in KDE website just to show: you are not where you promised to be (BTW to me it seems a very general statement); then you should demonstrate where KDE has promised to fulfill any specific purpose beyond giving you a working Desktop Environment. Is it a free Desktop Environment task to provide an Internet browser, an office suite, many multimedia players, developing tools? Mmm, no I don't think so. Let's consider Koffice: it is an alternative to OpenOffice, but I think it has far less users. Should it be considered has a "must have" feature of a Desktop Environment, so it is integrated well with the general look and feel of the KDE? Or should it be abandoned since it has a bunch of users in comparison with OpenOffice? > up to that claim. See, we're not talking about KDE 4.0 here, this is KDE > 4.2.2 which should be usable for most users. > > I'm not demanding anything, I'm not angry at KDE/Konqueror developers, > the developers should take all the time they need, I'm not pushing them. So what was the original purpose of your email? > use Konqueror as the default browser anymore. It is just too buggy at > the moment." And I'm very sad having to say that. You see, I'm about to > loose a good old friend, so to say. Everybody needs something, you are not a special case. But you have many options instead of using KDE4 if you need a completely stable and reliable environment. > out the related danger for the KDE project in general: If the most > central applications (mail, browser, file manager) do not work properly, > a KDE is in danger of loosing users. Actually, I for one slowly drifted > into using KDE mainly as a window manager, unwillingly. This kind of feedback is not prohibited, it will be simply missed by those whom you are claiming to be guilty. > fixed, finally?) Kmail never stopped to work for me, am I more than the average user? BTW if you switch software as soon a problem spawns, you are going to bounce here and there in free software unless you do use a very stable and old release. > as a release candidate. I understand your frustration in seeing that developers (and many distributions) don't agree with you in marking KDE4.2.2 as an alpha stage software. Try it again when it will be around 4.3.something. > to like the new desktop paradigma. I can live with most of the flaws > (4.2.2 really is *much* better the its predecessors). But I can't use > Konqueror as the standard browser at the moment. Then you can stick with 3.5.10, it's still there and nobody has removed it. > already *have* switched, while I would really have preferred to stay > with Konqueror. This is not a report, it's an email of complaints on the wrong mailing list. Cheers |