Re: [KDE 4.1 backports] yakuake missing
Modestas Vainius wrote:
> Hi,
>
> trečiadienis 03 rugsėjis 2008, Ben E. Hard rašė:
>> Ok, then it is not missing, but I miss it :-) Still that policy will
>> probably become if not a problem, then at least something uncomfortable:
>> with each new application being ported to kde4 and not being included in
>> lenny, one would have to get it from experimental.
> That's exactly what this policy is supposed to protect from. New
> applications will be released and some users will definitely want them.
> You should look at KDE 4.1 backports for Lenny as an additional
> feature/service. Actually, as KDE 4.1 could not be included in Lenny due
> to unfortunate release timing and a few other issues, we thought that
> adventurous Lenny users should not be left only with aging KDE 3.5. Sorry,
> but it's never been a goal to provide the best possible KDE 4.1 desktop
> experience in Lenny.
I know that it is only an additional feature and that Ana doesn't want to provide the "best possible KDE 4.1 desktop experience" in Lenny. But why shouldn't he or somebody else provide a good experience with some more KDE4 programs for Lenny?
>>But I'm not saying you should do all that work of packing all
>>kde4-programms.
> Criteria is set - backports of official KDE 4.1.x modules. No more or
> less. I do not think that making exceptions is a good thing.
Why not? Why that fundamentalism? Don't you want to leave it to Ana which packages he includes?
>
>>Would they be included in the normal backports?
> Depends. first of all Lenny needs to be released and current stuff in
> experimental to enter a new testing via unstable. Only then "normal
> backports" can be made.
>
>>If not, the idea of using lenny + kde4 will always be a mix of kde3 + 4
>>with
> some programs not working or not integrating completely in kde4
> KDE 4.1 desktop in Lenny is an *additional* and *unofficial* feature which
> you can use as it is with no support (as in no fixing of Lenny-only
> issues).
Why do you think it is without support? Of course there is no official support of debian, but Ana kindly responds to that mailinglist.
> Basically, Lenny will always be like this as you see it now (with
> regard to software up-to-dateness). Finally, you probably do not want to
> use Debian stable release anyway. Once Lenny is released, keep using
> testing ("Squeeze") and it eventually will get the whole KDE 4.x desktop
> and other KDE 4 applications.
Of course, but I have the feeling that these backports are meant to help testing users to use KDE4 right now before Lenny is released. The backports won't include anything after KDE 4.1.x (so are the plans according to kde4.debian.net), as the backports will be useless once official KDE4-packages appear in testing.
Greetings,
Ben
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