On Sat, May 18, 2002 at 12:30:49AM -0700, Grant Bowman wrote: > This sets up animosity between "people"s without constructive feedback. > I feel comments like this hurt the efforts of those Hurd people who DO > care to continue forward. You and Jeroen, while certainly key > developers and while you may be expressing common feelings, "and others" > seems to speak for me, and I do not share your tactics. If you read my post, I speak only for myself. > General accusations and giving up hope don't change things. I used to have some hope that Debian would change, I was already told that this was almost impossible but I didn't want to believe it. No I see that Debian won't change. > What Debian ways are necessary to change? A lot of things are already said a long time ago. People just simply have given up. The dictators won't listen, so it's just waste of time. > If you want to confront people who you know are already hostile directly > with unspecific arguments you should not expect wonderful results. I don't expect anything at all anymore. > You and Jeroen seem to have put a time frame to your expectations. Why? I want to see GNU released before 2005. That won't happen with Debian. > This port has been a long term game. As the software stabilizes the > code will speak for itself. Organizational change of any kind takes > longer. An organization of technical people - longer still. A > VOLUNTEER organization - longer still. What do you really expect and why? I expect people to cooperate instead of ignoring what other people want. I can imagine that volunteers don't have the time to do everything, but then they should allow other people to do the work. Jeroen Dekkers -- Jabber ID: jdekkers@jabber.org IRC ID: jeroen@openprojects GNU supporter - http://www.gnu.org
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