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Re: How vendor pages are maintained?


On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 12:58:44PM +0100, Richard Atterer wrote:
> Hello,
> sorry for processing the submitted requests so infrequently! I am planning 
> to clear the backlog in the next days!!

Thanks for your quick response.

I think problem is your processing not fast enough but we do not have
enough people to do such chores on Debian.  (This is actually generic
problem of Debian these days.  Acccumulated weight of history is too
much for current level of DDs to support.  It keep growing ...)
> The thing is that this is tiresome manual work that few people apart from 
> me want to do. IMHO, Debian users will leave money with the vendors, so I 
> should try to ensure that the offers are not bogus/malicious, that people 
> really get an official image, etc. CD/DVD vendors often put insufficient 
> info on their pages. Some spammy people just put up some random 
> Debian-related page and hope to get a high-pagerank link from the 
> debian.org website. Others create multiple shops under different URLs and 
> try to gain an unfair advantage by being listed multiple times.

I fully understand.

> [Slightly related: Some more automation would be possible to ensure that we 
> only list up-to-date vendors - weeding out old entries also takes quite 
> some time. To do that, we'd need to require vendors to include fixed 
> strings for each type of image, so the pages can be scraped automatically 
> to look for these strings.]

I think we can have a bit tougher rules to the vendor so our burden
should be less.

> On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 07:47:46PM +0900, Osamu Aoki wrote:
> > > Secondly, many thanks for your attention and kind reply. Finally, to be 
> > > honest, yes; I've passed all of the steps with particular care.
> > 
> > Do you know where we can see your submitted info.
> The form data is sent to cdvendors@d.o, which is not a mailing list, it's 
> just forwarded to a couple of people; csmall, possibly Josip and Phil 
> Blundell(?) - I don't really know. :-| Listmaster should be able to get 
> people added/removed.

I think having such information at somewhere publically accessible is
good idea.

> > information and I do not think as the owner to do it. ) Anyway, waiting 
> > for 2 months is not long for how it is managed. I CCed him.
> It is kind of long for an online shop owner, I feel bad about this... I 
> recently started a new job and moved to another country, which didn't 
> exactly help. There should be more active people behind the cdvendors@ 
> alias.

> IIRC we had those mails go to debian-cd once upon a time, but people didn't 
> like that for some reason, probably because of the noise it created on the 
> list. As far as I'm concerned, it would be OK to move to a public list.

That is why reactivating debian-cd-vendors@lists.debian.org list and
forwarding cdvendors@d.o mails there should be good thing.

Anyway, thanks for your work.


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