Re: Debian Wiki: renaming pages

[Frank Lin PIAT <fpiat@klabs.be>]

[CC'ing debian-www, I hope you don't mind]

On Sat, 2009-02-21 at 18:56 +0100, rupert THURNER wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 23:41, Frank Lin PIAT <fpiat@klabs.be> wrote:
> >
> > Please don't use the "Include" feature for list of languages (like
> > EeePC/Langs).
> 
> any special reason for this? it would be easy to have one-stop fixes
> for problems/missing translations.
> 
> pls check out http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIntroduction and
> http://wiki.debian.org/de/DebianIntroduction. one has 11 translations,
> the other 8. it is completely inconsistent.
> 
> or take http://wiki.debian.org/fr/Manual-Howto where one transaltion
> is called "polski", pointing to a link "francais".

Linking among translated pages is really the smallest issue we have.
Some of our needs are:
1. Migrate important (static) pages to the www.d.o, then translate them.
2. Use an efficient tools that allow translators to track what was
   changed and what translation needs to be updated (which page, which 
   paragraph =>  What was the previous text, whats the new text, what
   was the old translation.. see poedit)
3. Implement a mean to automatically disable a translation if it is
   lagging too much.
4. Proper (i.e automatic) content negotiation, so the best alternatives
   is presented to the user.
   (which would probably solve the linking issue)

Since many (most?) pages are translated in very few languages, I would
rather maintain links manually, rather that having one more transition
to manage... while migrating to a new moin version  (And trying to solve
the issue properly at the same time).

Also, the [[Include()]] macros adds complexity to the wiki pages, which
makes it less accessible to contributors. It also means that each wiki
page have its @Page@/Langs mate, which we would have to maintain.
Finally, Those pages would clutter the search results and the wiki
namespace.

I think that your effort to rename the  *German*, *French*, *Italian*,
*Portuguese*, *Hebrew* pages to "xx/PageName" is much more important,
for instance.
Many wiki pages (and translations) also needs to be updated/tested for
lenny.

I hope this gives you a better outlook of the i18n situation.

Franklin