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Re: Re: FYI: debian-legal is discussing the inclusion in the Debian archive of "erotic" interactive fiction depicting the sexual abuse of children

Gunnar Wolf <gwolf@gwolf.org> writes:

> Jo Shields dijo [Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 10:34:59PM +0000]:
>> Let's be very, very, very clear then.
>> This is a game where you play a paedophile. The aim is to rape local
>> little girls, whilst evading the authorities. Success is rewarded with
>> graphic scenes of sex with children, failure with being thrown in
>> prison. The sex content is only optional in the sense that you can out
>> yourself to the authorities and get thrown in jail rather than continue
>> with the actual game content. Where "game content" consists of a few
>> hundred drawn images of graphic sex acts with children. The script
>> "unrpa.py" can be used to extract all the assets from the .rpa files in
>> the upstream-distributed game.
>> We're not talking about some great moral position on artistic integrity
>> here. There are interesting visual novels made with Ren'Py worth
>> considering for Debian. But I don't think, on any sane planet, Hero
>> Paedo Fucks Kids In German is a game we want in the archive.
> Bufff... If even the game is ¹/₁₀ of what Jo describes here, I'd very
> very very very very very very much prefer not having it anywhere near
> the Debian archive. Not only because the plot line is actively against
> *many* things many of the DDs have been working hard to reduce on the
> project for a very long time (and by tenthing the game, it'd still
> include sexism and violence, even if Jo's view was heavily distorted —
> And I have no indications not to trust this mini-review!)

I do not know how you can “out yourself to the authorities” in the
game. Jo, could you explain to me what in-game choices trigger that?

For those who have not played the game, please look at any one of these
videos that show how the game plays before judging its artistic merit:


With the exception of violence implied by the various game overs (prison
rape, being eaten by pigs etc.), the game is not very violent. There is
only one sex scene in the game where a non-player character is clearly
not consenting – the rape lands the protagonist immediately in prison.

> And yes, even removing many red alerts, this strikes me as something
> that will very likely be illegal in one or more jurisdictions. We
> don't want that.

If Debian does not distribute sex scenes that are illegal in some
jurisdictions, what would you think might bring legal difficulties?

Nils Dagsson Moskopp // erlehmann

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