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On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 02:46:50PM +0200, Miriam Ruiz wrote:
> I think it's a nice initiative, and I certainly thank those links. They are
> interesting and talk about things that I guess some of us think about.

> During our talk, Enrico suggested how a publicly accesible and archived
> mailing list as open as this might raise concerns on the people, though. I
> wonder whether people feel comfortable commenting those kind of things,
> here, or if Enrico might be right.

This question, comparing debian-women to other closed groups like Linux
Chix, came up in the very early days of Debian Women.  There is a place for
safe spaces where people can feel comfortable, but if the purpose of Debian
Women is to get more women involved in Debian, it's important that such
"safe" spaces be used solely as a launching point and not as a
self-perpetuating walled garden, because Debian itself is an open community
which will not always be "safe".  I think it's safe to say that Debian would
not be willing to sacrifice its culture of openness and working in public in
order to court contributors who are not comfortable working in such an

That doesn't mean that there's not room for a closed, women-only mailing
list, but it does mean that thought must be given to how such a list would
be used as an on-ramp for Debian involvement and not a closed off dead-end.

Steve Langasek                   Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS
Debian Developer                   to set it on, and I can move the world.
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> 2013/8/15 Martín Ferrari <tincho@tincho.org>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I've been in a few discussions at DebConf about the Debian Women
> > project, and a few times it was suggested to try to re-activate the
> > mailing list.
> >
> > I think a good way to help with that goal is to try to start discussions
> > on topics broader than Debian, as the problems facing Debian Women are
> > clearly not exclusive to Debian. Posting links to interesting articles
> > may be a way.
> >
> > Some of the topics raised today at the "Women in Debian 2013"[1] talk
> > (and some I've heard in related discussions this week) are (IMHO) worth
> > discussing: impostor syndrome, unconscious bias, privilege, outreach for
> > other minorities.
> >
> > To start, I have two articles I'd like to share.
> >
> > One about a guy who -for a change- stood up for a stranger being
> > harassed in public transport [2]. And a second one about raising a girl
> > to not be "nice" [3].
> >
> > If people prefer I don't do this, please tell me to stop.
> >
> > Tincho.
> >
> > [1]: http://penta.debconf.org/dc13_schedule/events/1012.en.html
> > [2]:
> > http://chrisbrecheen.blogspot.de/2013/07/changing-creepy-guy-narrative.html
> > [3]:
> >
> > http://parenting.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/07/31/i-do-not-want-my-daughter-to-be-nice/
> >
> > --
> > Martín Ferrari
> >
> >
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