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Re: Debian and Politeness

On Monday 27 May 2013 10:22:56 Miriam Ruiz wrote:
> 2013/5/27 Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com>:
> > On Monday 20 May 2013 09:33:06 Miriam Ruiz wrote:
> >> Free Software is about meritocracy and elitism
> >
> > I have been unhappy with this since I first read it, and had held off
> > saying anything while I pondered.
> Just for the record, and to avoid misinterpretations, I was just
> trying to be descriptive in my email, I didn't say I was happy with
> that, I was just describing what I see.

I should have quoted more of the sentence.  You in fact said <quote> Free 
Software is about meritocracy and elitism, or at least it pretends to be. 

You appeared to me to be saying that OSS, not you, pretends to be elite.  
Whilst it certainly is in many ways elitist, and I agree with you there, I 
would have thought that it pretends to be inclusive?

I quite agree that it is often not, in practice, as inclusive as one would 

> Of course, you might not agree with me, and your perception might be
> totally different. If any of you are not perceiving the FLOSS social
> environment around you as technically elitist, feel free to say it,
> I'd be really happy to hear it. It might just be me.
> My personal opinion is that for changing things, we have to be able to
> acknowledge what's truly happening, and start moving from there. I
> didn't say I was fully happy with the reality, in fact I'm not, and,
> while I realize that some level of meritocracy is positive, my opinion
> is that politeness, inclusiveness and human values are too.

I agree with this - but I would still maintain that OSS *pretends* to be 
inclusive, though it may not actually be so!!

One of the two first phrases that I learnt in French was "Vous prennez les 
choses au pied de la lettre".  I'm sure that you can see why. :-(


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