Re: d-w wiki

[Clytie Siddall <clytie@riverland.net.au>]

Hi again all :)

My continuing efforts to translate the D-W wiki into Vietnamese...

On 29/05/2005, at 7:46 PM, Thierry Reding wrote:
> The crumb trail is generated automatically and parses the filenames  
> to create
> the components. Thus it cannot be edited via the Wiki. I'll look into
> changing this to use the native language names instead of the  
> English names.
> I guess that'd be the better approach.

Yes, it certainly would. Thankyou for being willing to look into it  
for us.
> > The word "Vietnamese" is displayed correctly across the top in the
> > language list, but not yet in the right-hand sidebar, nor in the name
> > of the page (e.g. Vietnamese Homepage). Can I edit that?
>
> Same goes for the page title (i.e. HomePage), which is takes from the
> filename aswell and cannot be changed. I doubt it's possible to  
> make it use
> something different for the page title, unless by changing the  
> inner workings
> of PmWiki.

:(
> Also note that the sidebar that is currently used by the Vietnamese  
> language
> is not the correct one. Only the first page has that sidebar, all  
> language
> groups should use the one that English uses (with appropriate  
> translation).
> You can edit the sidebar by browsing to `/Vietnamese/SideBar? 
> action=edit'
> directly (or browsing to `/Vietnamese/SideBar' and clicking the `edit'
> button).

Thanks, Thierry.

My qs for today (so far):

1. Please see the offending Vietnamese character, as specified in the  
earlier email: it shows up as a black diamond with a question mark,  
and also inserts a line break there (always in the draft, often in  
the final copy). I have no idea why.

2. The ASCII wiki-links look terrible. :(  It's interesting that  
external links can be in actual Vietnamese, but the internal ones  
can't. <moan>

3. Are there other ways of expressing "pmwiki.documentationindex." on  
the homepage? Is it a link?

4. Translating the Sidebar: the Vietnamese version is of course blank  
to start with, but I can't find the English version to translate. I  
tried English/Sidebar (nothing), then tried clicking on the "edit?"  
link in the sidebar (menu). Nothing. :(

5. I think I've finally got the link thing worked out. If I structure  
the internal links this way:

[[Group.PageName|Vietnamese name]]

then the page will still have the ASCII name, but the links will  
_look_ correct, so the reader will know where s/he is going. It's  
better than having horrible ASCII links breaking up the reading  
experience... but the page titles (v large headings) still look bad.  
Words without accents don't have the correct meaning for us.

6. Can we translate the editing buttons? Save, Edit, Preview etc.?

7. I've done a fair bit of work on it, but as you can see from this  
page:

http://women.alioth.debian.org/wiki/index.php/PmWiki/ 
QuyTacDinhDangVanBan

it's not going to be much use unless all the characters work.

I'm going to do some soothing .po translation...

from Clytie (vi-VN, team/nhóm Gnome-vi)

Clytie Siddall--Renmark, in the Riverland of South Australia

Ở thành phố Renmark, tại miền sông của Nam Úc