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Re: DW (was: Re: [gnome-women] Getting a Web Site Up & Logo Contest status)

This has split from a discussion on Gnome-Women on future aims for that group. In discussing that there, I'd said there were some things that were working for D-W, and some things that weren't.

There was no intention to insult anyone. (I don't even know how, for heaven's sake. I'm harmless! :) )

On 10/08/2005, at 10:25 AM, Erinn Clark wrote:

Well, one thing you fail to recognize is that there is a difficult
balance to maintain.

No, I do realize that. That's why I joined in the discussion on gnome- women (of which I am a contributing member), and pointed out that some things were or were not working for D-W. We can learn from each other's experience. There wouldn't be much to learn from if we didn't make mistakes.

(Highly) technical people involved are totally
underwhelmed by some technology and do not want to use it and in our
case, they tend to be the people in charge of how things get done; CVS
may be easy for committing purposes, but it also sucks. Highly technical
discussion may be off-putting to some newbies, but it's interesting to
non-newbies and *they* will leave if the level of discourse does not
match their experience. So, sure -- it's possible that DW has some of
these issues, but it's absolutely NOT specific to DW and had I known you felt this was an issue, I would've patiently listened to your ideas for
improving it and seeing what could be done. Alas.

Either way, it would've been totally appropriate to bring this up on
DW's list, but the fact that you brought it up here instead -- without
any real desire for resolution -- is what makes it insulting.

Erinn, I _have_ tried to bring up some of these issues, but the response is so vehement, and ignores so much of what I said in the original email, assumes so much of what I definitely _haven't_ said, that I am not game to keep trying with the topic.

I find that type of response uncomfortable, confusing and discouraging. Please note, as I specified early on, that I am very ill and have great difficulty posting at all, let alone handling emotional stress and responses that misunderstand what I say.

Perhaps I don't explain myself well? I don't know.

However, for any person here, regardless of background, I believe the response should be:

I hear what you're saying (I've taken enough time to read it and try to understand it: if not, I ask polite questions)
I am willing to let you explain it
I will give you room to learn and grow

I think this is really important, if we want to attract new people here, and encourage them to take risks and branch out.

It does distress me that I could be assumed to be attacking D-W, when I have evidently put a lot of my time into following the list, trying to encourage new members, working on the main site and the wiki. It doesn't make sense. :(

Let's look at what we are doing to encourage new members, people lurking, who may not have enough confidence to take part here. Why is this? What can we do to encourage them? How would they like us to respond? Do they feel welcome here, safe to express opinion, and to make occasional mistakes, or not to have the same level of experience and knowledge as others?

Please, read this email and think about what I am trying to say, before responding. I am unable to handle the level of stress I've been encountering on this list, and will have to leave it if it continues. I don't want to have to do that: I think what we have here is worth a lot of effort. I'm just running out. :(

With good-will and caring, as always

from Clytie (vi-VN, Vietnamese free-software translation team / nhóm Việt hóa phần mềm tự do)

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