Re: No goals, selective memory, be nice, red nose day
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- Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 01:44:55 +1000
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On Thu, 2004-08-19 at 09:51, MJ Ray wrote:
> The idea of parts of the debian project being closed to a particular
> sex or race is offensive to me, yet some debian-women participants
> support similar moves in other projects or call things like linuxchix
> "a great community".
Linuxchix as a whole is not closed to any specific gender or race.
One of Linuxchix' lists is closed to a specific gender, for several
reasons. One of the main reasons was that some issues, on a
joint-gendered list, regularly deviate into 'teaching the men what the
hell we're talking about' and fail to actually make any progress ON the
issue in question.
I request specific (probably off-list) complaints about Linuxchix. I
will work to address /specific/ complaints. I'm afraid I can't work to
address general complaints. :(
> The solution to running into a wall is to knock
> it down, not build your own!
Agreed. By bringing women who are having problems with the wall
together, we can gradually figure out what it's made of and how to knock
By working individually, we make no progress at all.
> The other likely offensive move is
> promoting the idea that "friendly," "welcoming" and similar notions
> are essentially linked with "women".
No. They're not.
They are, however, essentially linked with policies like 'be polite, be
helpful', 'never use RTFM to answer a question', and 'address the issue,
not the person'.
"Do you ever wonder if there's a whole section of geek culture
you miss out on by being a geek?" - Dancer.
My book 'Essential CVS': published by O'Reilly in June 2003.