Re: IRC summary: Issues around CategoryProposedDeletion
Hi,
On 05/08/25 16:48, Andrew Sayers wrote:
Continuing that thought, I often find a page that covers a topic,
spend a day or two fixing it up, find three other pages on the topic,
then feel bad about deleting them because "my page is better".
I generally put them into CategoryProposedDeletion then move on.
I think I've been avoiding CategoryRedundant because it's for pages that
"need to be cleaned up or merged with other pages", so I don't want
to add a page that just needs to be reviewed and deleted.
I've made a CategoryProposedMerge[0][1][2] in the new wiki -
would that be more usable?
Probably, admittedly I never did much content writing, aside those
related to localization.
And in case you want to add another CategoryProposedFoo,
I've abstracted the logic out too[3][4][5].
Nice.
I think the mention of "roaming editors" was getting at the same point as
the "wiki-cleaner" role. I haven't heard anything conclusive (it was only
mentioned in passing), but it does suggest the question -
why haven't wiki-cleaners thrived on the current wiki?
It seems to me the two major culprits are that MoinMoin makes cleaning
an unrewarding a slog, and that Debian's culture of individual ownership
doesn't reward collective work well enough to overcome that slog.
Installing a new wiki won't install a new culture, but what tools could
be added to make the cleaning role more attractive?
My personal opinion is that no matter if it's MoinMoin or MediaWiki,
cleaning is seen as not rewarding for many ppl. Translating a wiki can
be too, especially in a wiki, because as you say it does not feel like
"ownership" of the work.
And again there's the "being afraid of personal conflicts" with other
authors when deleting things.
Again my personal opinion it's that it needs primarily a change of
culture, like you said. And also let's not forget time, which is a
precious commodity for everyone.
Thanks for the clarification,
beatrice
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